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Did the company make more than $1.5M in additional revenue due to employing those 100+ kids (plus the others that are likely to have never been identified)?

alistairSH 4y ago
Given the fine is a fixed amount per violation, it's not unreasonable to assume the company's management did the math and found child labor + fine is more profitable than adult labor.
sokoloff 4y ago
Presumably variable gross profit is the measure to refer to/compare against, rather than revenue.
- mischanix 4y ago
  So if I rob a bank for $2MM, but spend $1.95MM on contractors to do the job, I should only be fined $50k?
  - n42 4y ago
    no. but when you are calculating if the job is worth the risk, you would look at the $50k vs the jail time.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    If you want to understand whether there are systemic forces at play which serve to reinforce an undesirable behavior, you should compare the fine to the expected profit not to the expected revenue.
aaomidi 4y ago
The fines for doing this should not depend on company revenue or profit. It should be that every single exec in charge of that company is never allowed to have any decision making power again in any industry. After a substantial jail time. Every exec involved here should be personally liable too, and be forced to have their assets sold to cover a huge pay out to these kids. These kids should never have to work again a day in their lives. And if the assets aren't enough, then we should have tax payer money go and make things right for these kids.
- ggreer 4y ago
  Tons of teens would happily lie about their age if it meant they never had to work again. Heck, many parents would encourage that behavior.
  - courseofaction 4y ago
    The companies would execute them on the spot if it was legal and profitable. I'm happy with a company being required to do due diligence on age. If they can't prove they're old enough to work, they can't work.
- diordiderot 4y ago
  Would there be any negative consequences to a law that said 'the CEO and chairman of the board of any company that violates child labour law should be imprisoned for 1 year'?
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    Yes, fox news would spend the next ten years making as many people as possible think you are the literal devil.

alistairSH 4y ago

Given the fine is a fixed amount per violation, it's not unreasonable to assume the company's management did the math and found child labor + fine is more profitable than adult labor.

sokoloff 4y ago

Presumably variable gross profit is the measure to refer to/compare against, rather than revenue.

mischanix 4y ago
So if I rob a bank for $2MM, but spend $1.95MM on contractors to do the job, I should only be fined $50k?
- n42 4y ago
  no. but when you are calculating if the job is worth the risk, you would look at the $50k vs the jail time.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  If you want to understand whether there are systemic forces at play which serve to reinforce an undesirable behavior, you should compare the fine to the expected profit not to the expected revenue.

aaomidi 4y ago

The fines for doing this should not depend on company revenue or profit. It should be that every single exec in charge of that company is never allowed to have any decision making power again in any industry. After a substantial jail time. Every exec involved here should be personally liable too, and be forced to have their assets sold to cover a huge pay out to these kids. These kids should never have to work again a day in their lives. And if the assets aren't enough, then we should have tax payer money go and make things right for these kids.

ggreer 4y ago
Tons of teens would happily lie about their age if it meant they never had to work again. Heck, many parents would encourage that behavior.
- courseofaction 4y ago
  The companies would execute them on the spot if it was legal and profitable. I'm happy with a company being required to do due diligence on age. If they can't prove they're old enough to work, they can't work.
diordiderot 4y ago
Would there be any negative consequences to a law that said 'the CEO and chairman of the board of any company that violates child labour law should be imprisoned for 1 year'?
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  Yes, fox news would spend the next ten years making as many people as possible think you are the literal devil.