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> All of this, by the way, is a fraction of the cost of cloud solution (a $25k bonkers 1U is ~$700 a month with a three year lease and 1U hosting + bandwidth +

by sofixa 4y ago

> All of this, by the way, is a fraction of the cost of cloud solution (a $25k bonkers 1U is ~$700 a month with a three year lease and 1U hosting + bandwidth + power is ~$200 a month). So for $2k a month (and it's actually predictable) you're up in two facilities and have capabilities an order of magnitude greater than a big cloud at equivalent spend. You mean you have raw power an order of magnitude greater than a big cloud at equivalent spend. Capabilities are all DIY - if you want a database, object storage, replicated storage between your two locations, message queue, etc. etc. you have to set it all (and think of the backups, patching, monitoring, etc.) on your own. That's a non-insignificant costs that will easily dwarf that $2k. Source: I've done this at an MSP/MHP, handling a decent chunk of the infra side.

gspencley 4y ago
Yeah your mileage will vary greatly depending on your requirements. A couple of years ago I owned a very high-traffic, media-oriented website. Bandwidth costs were my highest cost, not compute or storage. I explored moving to something cloud-based and the cost increase just on bandwidth per GB would have been enough to put me out of business. Yes this was including a paid Cloudflare / CDN account sitting in front of my servers. I considered a "hybrid" model where I would keep bare metal servers for distributing media but move compute and persistence to "the cloud" but just couldn't really justify it on cost alone. The replication and auto-scaling would have been nice, and were the major selling points, but wasn't a high enough ROI for me.
kkielhofner 4y ago
When you turn $20k/mo of cloud spend into $2k/mo that’s $216k/yr - $648k over three years. Postgres, minio, rabbit, whatever absolutely does not even come close for initial implementation and ongoing support. If you spend more than a tenth of that you’re doing it wrong. Source: CTO who’s done all these things.

by sofixa 4y ago

gspencley 4y ago

Yeah your mileage will vary greatly depending on your requirements. A couple of years ago I owned a very high-traffic, media-oriented website. Bandwidth costs were my highest cost, not compute or storage. I explored moving to something cloud-based and the cost increase just on bandwidth per GB would have been enough to put me out of business. Yes this was including a paid Cloudflare / CDN account sitting in front of my servers. I considered a "hybrid" model where I would keep bare metal servers for distributing media but move compute and persistence to "the cloud" but just couldn't really justify it on cost alone. The replication and auto-scaling would have been nice, and were the major selling points, but wasn't a high enough ROI for me.

kkielhofner 4y ago

When you turn $20k/mo of cloud spend into $2k/mo that’s $216k/yr - $648k over three years. Postgres, minio, rabbit, whatever absolutely does not even come close for initial implementation and ongoing support. If you spend more than a tenth of that you’re doing it wrong. Source: CTO who’s done all these things.