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The relational model (and generally working at the level of sets/collections, instead of the level of individual values/objects) actually makes it easier to hav

by evnc 4y ago

The relational model (and generally working at the level of sets/collections, instead of the level of individual values/objects) actually makes it easier to have this kind of incremental computation in a consistent way, I think. There's a bunch of work being done on making relational systems work this way. Some interesting reading: - https://www.scattered-thoughts.net/writing/an-opinionated-map-of-incremental-and-streaming-systems https://www.scattered-thoughts.net/writing/an-opinionated-ma... - https://materialize.com/ https://materialize.com/ which is built on https://timelydataflow.github.io/differential-dataflow/ https://timelydataflow.github.io/differential-dataflow/, which has a lot of research behind it - Which also can be a compilation target for Datalog: https://github.com/vmware/differential-datalog https://github.com/vmware/differential-datalog - Some prototype work on building UI systems in exactly the way you describe using a relational approach: https://riffle.systems/essays/prelude/ https://riffle.systems/essays/prelude/ (and HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30530120 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30530120) (There's a lot more too -- I have a hobby interest in this space, so I have a small collection of links)

vaughan 4y ago
Thanks great links. I've been following some of those projects for a while. I haven't dived into the differential dataflow stuff yet. I think a lot of these projects may be handicapped though by trying to work with existing SQL queries and user SQL knowledge which makes things more complex than they need to be.
- airstrike 4y ago
  > I think a lot of these projects may be handicapped though by trying to work with existing SQL queries and user SQL knowledge which makes things more complex than they need to be. I could not agree more! I'm sorry to report I actually peeked through your HN submissions and I think you and I are seeing the exact same problem and trying to come up with a solution... from markup languages to visual programming to database internals to issues with electron, these are all things I've been spending time on! It's uncanny how much our interests overlap Personally I'm debating dedicating my time to this exclusively as I think it's (a) incredibly exciting and (b) a massive opportunity. It will probably be 6-9 months before I pull the trigger and start a company (depending on how things develop between now and then), but while I have your attention, if you would be interested in reconnecting at that point, I'd love to get your contact info--my HN email alias is on my profile
airstrike 4y ago
Man, this is such a great list of links. I have had these ideas floating around my head for nearly a decade now and have somewhat of a radical goal in mind. This has given me some much needed food for thought. Thank you, truly -- and add my name to the list of people who would love to see your other links
zinclozenge 4y ago
I'd love to see the rest of your links. I'm interested in this space as well.

by evnc 4y ago

vaughan 4y ago

Thanks great links. I've been following some of those projects for a while. I haven't dived into the differential dataflow stuff yet. I think a lot of these projects may be handicapped though by trying to work with existing SQL queries and user SQL knowledge which makes things more complex than they need to be.

airstrike 4y ago
> I think a lot of these projects may be handicapped though by trying to work with existing SQL queries and user SQL knowledge which makes things more complex than they need to be. I could not agree more! I'm sorry to report I actually peeked through your HN submissions and I think you and I are seeing the exact same problem and trying to come up with a solution... from markup languages to visual programming to database internals to issues with electron, these are all things I've been spending time on! It's uncanny how much our interests overlap Personally I'm debating dedicating my time to this exclusively as I think it's (a) incredibly exciting and (b) a massive opportunity. It will probably be 6-9 months before I pull the trigger and start a company (depending on how things develop between now and then), but while I have your attention, if you would be interested in reconnecting at that point, I'd love to get your contact info--my HN email alias is on my profile

airstrike 4y ago

Man, this is such a great list of links. I have had these ideas floating around my head for nearly a decade now and have somewhat of a radical goal in mind. This has given me some much needed food for thought. Thank you, truly -- and add my name to the list of people who would love to see your other links

zinclozenge 4y ago

I'd love to see the rest of your links. I'm interested in this space as well.