> That is... very difficult to debate I see no difficulty in it. Alternatives give you 100% confidence of not having animal products in the production chain. T

> That is... very difficult to debate I see no difficulty in it. Alternatives give you 100% confidence of not having animal products in the production chain. The only thing to quibble is the degree to which animals might be harmed in commercial agriculture, which supplies the overwhelming majority of product in North America. Opinionated vegans and consumers in general have a different threshold and definition though (after all bleeding heart vegans would posit that even the "good" sources are harmful in some capacity). Personally I don't think dairy cows have it that bad, and I'm pro-slaughter. But it's still clear that abstaining from those products gives you far more confidence about animal welfare. > The methane thing is not true and has been debunked as I understand it. It's true. The only carbon-neutral cow rearing is in the context of allowing cows to migrate to fertilize different lands. This is not the case in commercial agriculture.