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>The biggest mask off moment was when Russia targeted civilian electricity and heating infrastructure... Yeah. What bastards they are. Thank god we'd never sto

>The biggest mask off moment was when Russia targeted civilian electricity and heating infrastructure... Yeah. What bastards they are. Thank god we'd never stoop to those levels: https://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/4.5.htm#_ftnref99 https://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/4.5.htm#_ftnref99 ---- >Electrical Power Facilities >The United States targeted electrical power distribution facilities, but not generation facilities, throughout Iraq, according to a senior CENTCOM official. He told Human Rights Watch that instead of using explosive ordnance, the majority of the attacks were carried out with carbon fiber bombs designed to incapacitate temporarily rather than to destroy.100 Nevertheless, some of the attacks on electrical power distribution facilities in Iraq are likely to have a serious and long-term detrimental impact on the civilian population. >Electrical power was out for thirty days after U.S. strikes on two transformer facilities in al-Nasiriyya.101 Al-Nasiriyya 400 kV Electrical Power Transformer Station was attacked on March 22 at 6:00 a.m. using three U.S. Navy Tomahawk cruise missiles outfitted with variants of the BLU-114/B graphite bombs.102 These dispense submunitions with spools of carbon fiber filaments that short-circuit transformers and other high voltage equipment upon contact. ---- Oh, wait. That's "whataboutism" isn't it? That handy defence which means you're not allowed to point that the accuser has committed exactly the same crimes as the accused.

rocket_surgeron 4y ago
>That handy defence which means you're not allowed to point that the accuser has committed exactly the same crimes as the accused. What accuser? Neither the Economist nor the commenter to which you replied is the United States of America. I think. Maybe the commenter is the literal United States of America? edit: Your spelling of "defense" and the person to which you replied's comment history seems to indicate that a non-American is accusing a non-American of being an American. How droll.
- ClapperHeid 4y ago
  >seems to indicate that a non-American is accusing a non-American of being an American.... Aye. But there's so many American poodles in Europe, it's hard to tell the difference. Love the downvotes by the way. If only downvoting a fact you don't want to hear could somehow make it not true any more! I also didnt mention the US's strafing of the retreating Iraqui army during the Gulf War either [0]. Who can forget the photos of the destroyed columns of vehicles, heading back to Iraq and the soldiers burned to death in their retreating trucks? It'll be interesting to see the howls of outrage from the Americans [and poodles] if Ukraine withdraws from Bakhmut and the Russians shell their retreating forces. Talk about pots and kettles! [0] https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/highway-death-in-pictures-1991/ https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/highway-death-in-pictures-1... [0] https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/dont-photograph-people-like-mom-will-think-war-see-tv-gulf-war-1991/ https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/dont-photograph-people-like...
rektide 4y ago
Taking out one transformer, in a hot country, hours before a full on assault/takeover of a country. A tactical move to win battles. Vs a long campaign of sending cruise missiles into a variety of power equipment. With no follow-up. Began half a year into a war, just as winter sets, in a very cold country. A strategic move to hurt civilians.
- ClapperHeid 4y ago
  I give up! What can you do against a brainwashed and totally unquestioning populace who believe that their country is always in the right? I'ts like trying to argue logic with a Flat-Earther. Amazing how such an ethical and morally upstanding country has been involved in some kind of war / invasion / conflict / bombimg campaign, continuously since the end of WW2. [0] It must be the rest of the world picking on you all the time. [0] https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/americas/u-s-launched-251-military-interventions-since-1991-and-469-since-1798/ https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/americas/u-s-launch... [0] https://archive.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-interventions.html https://archive.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024... [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-military-presence-around-the-world-interactive https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-mili... [0] https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-10-07/Graphics-Major-U-S-military-operations-since-World-War-II-14ahgDKBW36/index.html https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-10-07/Graphics-Major-U-S-mil... [0] https://sites.evergreen.edu/zoltan/interventions/ https://sites.evergreen.edu/zoltan/interventions/
  - rektide 4y ago
    Shitty low grade what-about-ism. I marched against the Iraq invasion. America isn't perfect. There's plenty to discuss about that. But. But you're crusading is doing no one any favors. You are deflecting from a far more malicious war of aggression, with dastardly & vile strategies of causing civilian pain en mass, being pushed at the highest levels of government. What did America do once we invaded Iraq? We tried to build a functioning safe democracy. We turned the nation over to the people as we said we would. We built tons of infrastructure, a gift from America. We rebuilt transformers time and time again after insurgent attacks. American military interventionist keeps feeling extremely stupid & never goes right, and comes with tragic losses & horrors of war, but the contrast of intent versus the war against Ukraine just cannot be any more razor clear.

rocket_surgeron 4y ago

>That handy defence which means you're not allowed to point that the accuser has committed exactly the same crimes as the accused. What accuser? Neither the Economist nor the commenter to which you replied is the United States of America. I think. Maybe the commenter is the literal United States of America? edit: Your spelling of "defense" and the person to which you replied's comment history seems to indicate that a non-American is accusing a non-American of being an American. How droll.

ClapperHeid 4y ago
>seems to indicate that a non-American is accusing a non-American of being an American.... Aye. But there's so many American poodles in Europe, it's hard to tell the difference. Love the downvotes by the way. If only downvoting a fact you don't want to hear could somehow make it not true any more! I also didnt mention the US's strafing of the retreating Iraqui army during the Gulf War either [0]. Who can forget the photos of the destroyed columns of vehicles, heading back to Iraq and the soldiers burned to death in their retreating trucks? It'll be interesting to see the howls of outrage from the Americans [and poodles] if Ukraine withdraws from Bakhmut and the Russians shell their retreating forces. Talk about pots and kettles! [0] https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/highway-death-in-pictures-1991/ https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/highway-death-in-pictures-1... [0] https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/dont-photograph-people-like-mom-will-think-war-see-tv-gulf-war-1991/ https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/dont-photograph-people-like...

rektide 4y ago

Taking out one transformer, in a hot country, hours before a full on assault/takeover of a country. A tactical move to win battles. Vs a long campaign of sending cruise missiles into a variety of power equipment. With no follow-up. Began half a year into a war, just as winter sets, in a very cold country. A strategic move to hurt civilians.

ClapperHeid 4y ago
I give up! What can you do against a brainwashed and totally unquestioning populace who believe that their country is always in the right? I'ts like trying to argue logic with a Flat-Earther. Amazing how such an ethical and morally upstanding country has been involved in some kind of war / invasion / conflict / bombimg campaign, continuously since the end of WW2. [0] It must be the rest of the world picking on you all the time. [0] https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/americas/u-s-launched-251-military-interventions-since-1991-and-469-since-1798/ https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/americas/u-s-launch... [0] https://archive.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-interventions.html https://archive.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024... [0] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-military-presence-around-the-world-interactive https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/10/infographic-us-mili... [0] https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-10-07/Graphics-Major-U-S-military-operations-since-World-War-II-14ahgDKBW36/index.html https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-10-07/Graphics-Major-U-S-mil... [0] https://sites.evergreen.edu/zoltan/interventions/ https://sites.evergreen.edu/zoltan/interventions/
- rektide 4y ago
  Shitty low grade what-about-ism. I marched against the Iraq invasion. America isn't perfect. There's plenty to discuss about that. But. But you're crusading is doing no one any favors. You are deflecting from a far more malicious war of aggression, with dastardly & vile strategies of causing civilian pain en mass, being pushed at the highest levels of government. What did America do once we invaded Iraq? We tried to build a functioning safe democracy. We turned the nation over to the people as we said we would. We built tons of infrastructure, a gift from America. We rebuilt transformers time and time again after insurgent attacks. American military interventionist keeps feeling extremely stupid & never goes right, and comes with tragic losses & horrors of war, but the contrast of intent versus the war against Ukraine just cannot be any more razor clear.