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As educational systems take on ancillary roles and duties and educational rigor is de-emphasized this should be of little surprise. When I went to school your

by mc32 4y ago

As educational systems take on ancillary roles and duties and educational rigor is de-emphasized this should be of little surprise. When I went to school your teacher read out your grades as they were passed back to you, or stapled the results to a corkboard. Now, it's all in private and kids don't have the same peer pressure to do better. There is more coddling in schools, but at the high end, we see another problem, the children of the professional class are applied more and more pressure and sent to more and more demanding after school programs and a few of those end up with very high stress and sometimes driven to suicide. There is definitely a bifurcation in education but overall a deterioration in pedagogy and the kids who need it most are suffering the most.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
> Now, it's all in private and kids don't have the same peer pressure to do better. They also wouldn't have the pressure to not do as well either. Being the one student in class to get an A on the difficult exam wasn't exactly going to make you popular, and some students even wore their shit grades as a badge of honor.
- mc32 4y ago
  Yes, I knew those kids and there was very little that could have helped them other than more parental care and involvement in their academics. They wore it as a badge because it's the only badge they could wear. For those[1] you cut your losses but one should be careful to throw out the proverbial baby with the bathwater. [1] For these kids a "Gymnasium/Hauptschule" system might help them where kids who obviously don't have the aptitude to learn, can be productively diverted into vocational schools as, in practice, by fits and starts that's where they end up, if they avoid drifting into crime. Most I knew were able to avoid crime that landed you in jail, but some succumbed to it.
LeonB 4y ago
References needed i.e I’d like one to apply a little rigor of their one if making so many claims and such sweeping claims.
- mc32 4y ago
  This trend has been going on for a while. Here are some snippets, some about personal experiences and others about the shortage of qualified teachers (obviously this leads to teachers not even knowing anything beyond what is presented in the textbook). Another major problem is violence permeating into schools which disturbs academics outside the school and within. Also, this is not unique to the US. Other countries are also seeing an incursion of "achievement stickers" for everyone in lieu of academics. http://www.csun.edu/~ar8361/paper1.html http://www.csun.edu/~ar8361/paper1.html https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2022/08/26/are-we-at-a-crisis-point-with-the-public-teacher-workforce-education-scholars-share-their-perspectives/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2022/... https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2022-us-broken-education-system/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2022-us-broken-education-... https://www.studentachievement.org/wp-content/uploads/Rigor_Tony_Wager_EdLeadership_October_08.pdf https://www.studentachievement.org/wp-content/uploads/Rigor_...

by mc32 4y ago

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago

> Now, it's all in private and kids don't have the same peer pressure to do better. They also wouldn't have the pressure to not do as well either. Being the one student in class to get an A on the difficult exam wasn't exactly going to make you popular, and some students even wore their shit grades as a badge of honor.

mc32 4y ago
Yes, I knew those kids and there was very little that could have helped them other than more parental care and involvement in their academics. They wore it as a badge because it's the only badge they could wear. For those[1] you cut your losses but one should be careful to throw out the proverbial baby with the bathwater. [1] For these kids a "Gymnasium/Hauptschule" system might help them where kids who obviously don't have the aptitude to learn, can be productively diverted into vocational schools as, in practice, by fits and starts that's where they end up, if they avoid drifting into crime. Most I knew were able to avoid crime that landed you in jail, but some succumbed to it.

LeonB 4y ago

References needed i.e I’d like one to apply a little rigor of their one if making so many claims and such sweeping claims.

mc32 4y ago
This trend has been going on for a while. Here are some snippets, some about personal experiences and others about the shortage of qualified teachers (obviously this leads to teachers not even knowing anything beyond what is presented in the textbook). Another major problem is violence permeating into schools which disturbs academics outside the school and within. Also, this is not unique to the US. Other countries are also seeing an incursion of "achievement stickers" for everyone in lieu of academics. http://www.csun.edu/~ar8361/paper1.html http://www.csun.edu/~ar8361/paper1.html https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2022/08/26/are-we-at-a-crisis-point-with-the-public-teacher-workforce-education-scholars-share-their-perspectives/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-center-chalkboard/2022/... https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2022-us-broken-education-system/ https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2022-us-broken-education-... https://www.studentachievement.org/wp-content/uploads/Rigor_Tony_Wager_EdLeadership_October_08.pdf https://www.studentachievement.org/wp-content/uploads/Rigor_...