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How Ukraine tamed Russian missile barrages and kept the lights on
- MoSattler 4y agohttps://archive.ph/KIgYI https://archive.ph/KIgYI
- paganel 4y ago> As winter ends, Russia has lost this phase of the conflict Russia is losing "phase" after "phase" of the conflict until all the Ukrainian cemeteries will be filled with men aged 20 to 65. I hate Atlanticist propaganda.
- albertopv 4y agoI hate russian trolls
- orangepurple 4y agoIf Russia seizes control of the entire territory they will still put out pieces about how Russia lost.
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- jonathanstrange 4y agoIt's not very convincing to portray an obvious lose-lose scenario as a win for anyone. What can be said is that Russia so far has not reached any of its political and military objectives. So far, the Russian aggressors have even failed to capture a relatively unimportant town of 70,000 inhabitants as part of an allegedly large offensive.
- orangepurple 4y agoI'm right there with you
- MrRiddle 4y ago[dead]
- bigbacaloa 4y agoRussian shills are pathetic people.
- paganel 4y ago[flagged]
- landoftheice 4y ago[dead]
- alkonaut 4y agoIs there a contradiction somewhere? Everyone, not least every Ukrainian, knows the prize of the defeat of Russia will be a large part of a generation of Ukrainian men and women. That doesn't make it "not a defeat" for Russia unless the initial ambitions of Russia are achieved (And let's face it, they won't be). It's a very expensive victory for Ukraine and an even more expensive defeat for Russia.
- herculity275 4y ago"Atlanticist propaganda" is when you don't bow down to Putin's tiny feet
- gambiting 4y agoRussia lost 20 million men(!!!!) In WW2 and yet it was still a victory. Ukraine can and will win this conflict, but of course the cost will be a massive amount of deaths on their end.
- QuadmasterXLII 4y agoThe price of russian defeat is terrible, but does not compare to the price of russian victory that we have seen in Bucha and Mariupol.
- thriftwy 4y ago[flagged]
- goneri 4y agoThe damages were caused by the invaders. Everything was preventable and they decided to attack. But it's easier to blame the army who dare to risk their lives to defend their country, right? Regarding the Mariupol reconstruction, this is a story pushed by the Russian propaganda and in reality, it will take decades to fully rebuild the city. And what about the life of all the civilians, those won't come back. That's what Russia call a "liberation".
- fractallyte 4y ago...And an article that supports everything you just stated: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64887890 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64887890 [Life in Mariupol under Russian occupation]
- lm28469 4y agoYou don't have to be an `Atlanticist` to see how bad things are for Russia in term of what they expected vs what they got, in fact even inside Russia many (pro war) voices criticise the pace and results of most operations. They lost insane amount of men and equipment and aren't anywhere close to their initial objective, and they seem to struggle much more than Ukrainians in term of replenishing ammo and equipment They're not losing the war but they're clearly struggling much more than they ever expected
- jostiniane 4y agoWhat else do you expect? Hollywood told us we can't loose so I guess it should be that. It's all cope after cope after cope, poor Ukrainian men dragged by force are the ones paying for Zelensky next round of fundings.
- tokinonagare 4y agoIt's true that Ukrainians winning for almost a year they should be at the gates of Moscow now, no? That's what I would think if newspapers in my country (France) were to be believed.
- jostiniane 4y agoif you somehow disagree and point out the other narrative, you are a putin Chill.. Pathetic how the orange website is not safe from trolls.
- daveguy 4y agoThey aren't trying to invade Russia. They are trying to defend their sovereign country against Russian aggression. Russia is showing the world how incompetent their military is at the same time Ukraine is successfully defending their homeland. Putin is a pathetic joke. He can't even keep the mercenaries from disparaging his weak military. Ukraine will never be "at the gates of Moscow" because they aren't trying to invade Russia.
- thriftwy 4y agoCrimea is, for all intents and purposes, Russia, and Ukraine has never ceased promising an invasion to bring it "back home".
- The_Colonel 4y agoBasically the whole world disagrees and considers Crimea to be Ukrainian. Including China, for example.
- thriftwy 4y agoIt's not their business - Crimea is Russian domestic affair now and the opinion of the whole world is irrelevant. Much like the opinion of the whole world of what happens in Guantanamo or Xinjiang is safely ignored. Except that people are not in any death camps in Crimea but actual resort camps such as Artek.
- 0xDEF 4y agoThe biggest mask off moment was when Russia targeted civilian electricity and heating infrastructure in the middle of the winter in regions with Russian-speaking majority like Kharkiv and Odessa.
- alkonaut 4y agoI think indiscriminate bombing of civilian housing that has taken place for a year now is worse. You can always make a so-so argument that a power plant has some military importance, even if the civilian suffering is terrible. But a 10 story residential building filled with civilians hasn't even go that bad excuse.
- capableweb 4y agoOr you know, invading a neighboring country in the first place? Not sure what part of the mask isn't already off at that point.
- cduzz 4y agoIt's like the old "Mission Impossible" reveal where there are nested masks: 1. we'll come in and replace you're idiot government goons with our idiot government goons. 2. we'll come in and punish/kill all the people you don't like. 3. we'll come in and clean things up; maybe have to kill some of people too. Sorry, but it'll be worth it after we finish! 4. looks like we were actually going to come in and kill lots of people indiscriminately, take lots of stuff and your children too. If you don't like it you know where to send a complaint. 5. yeah, we're actually just going to kill everyone here and start over, even the ones who look like they're cooperating. That's actually always been the plan; thanks for your help. The people of Ukraine seem to know the stakes, and have for a while. In fact, it seems like most of the "ex soviet sphere of influence" countries are aware of what goes on in lubyanka. In a democracy (to some extent) the government serves the people; in an autocracy the people and everything else in the country exist only to execute and glorify the whims of the leader.
- PeterisP 4y agoYes, underlining the point that the west (and western media) should never equate "Russian speaking" people and regions with "Russia-supporting" or "wants to be ruled by Russia".
- pydry 4y ago>The use by Russia of hard-to-replace Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missiles at the end of winter would appear to indicate increasing desperation in Moscow. From what Ive read they were using regular cruise missiles and the Iranian drones to overwhelm, tie up and reveal Ukrainian AA. Meanwhile, Kinzhals were used to target AA installations specifically, coz they couldn't be shot down. The ultimate goal being to be able to degrade Ukrainian AA, such that Russia can start using its air force on the front line again with a lesser fear of it being shot down.
- lm28469 4y agoIt depends who you ask, there are many interpretations: > The Kremlin likely deliberately launched missiles that Ukrainian air defenses cannot intercept to achieve results within the Russian information space despite the dwindling supplies of such missiles. Ihnat noted that Russia has up to 50 Kinzhal missiles and had used some missiles that it cannot replace. Russian President Vladimir Putin likely used these scarce missiles in fruitless attacks to appease the Russian pro-war and ultranationalist communities, which have overwhelmingly called on him to retaliate for the Bryansk Oblast incident on March 2 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-9-2023 https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offens...
- pydry 4y agoI'm kind of suspicious of sources that impute propaganda motives for military tactics. It's not that it's impossible, it's just that Occam's razor suggests that all other things being equal, military attacks are probably executed for the purposes of achieving military advantage.
- PeterisP 4y agoI think it's quite reasonable to look at propaganda motives, since the whole campaign of missile barrages during the last year is obviously primarily for "breaking the will"/propaganda/strategic communication purposes, there is literally no military tactical value for target like a behind-the-lines power plant, only the demoralizing propaganda effect of the population being without power with the expectation that they might pressure Ukrainian leadership towards whatever Russia wants.
- acadapter 4y agoI wish they had the cultural ability to coexist like English and French Canadians.
- celticninja 4y agoWhat you mean is you wish Russia had the ability to coexist with it's neighbors. Your comment seems to indicate both countries are equally to blame for the war. That is not the case.
- acadapter 4y agoI didn't talk about blame at all. Sometimes I get the urge to say fair and peaceful statements in very infected topics and watch/listen to the strong reaction.
- varjag 4y agoTrivializing the death and suffering leads to strong reactions indeed.
- celticninja 4y agoSo concern trolling, take it elsewhere please.
- PeterisP 4y agoWhile sometimes you may get the urge to say fair and peaceful statements, that statement was neither fair nor peaceful.
- drowsspa 4y ago"Joke's on them, I was only pretending"
- thriftwy 4y agoCanada coexists with the USA, but if Canada has tried to outlaw English and make French the only state language, some different story could materialize.
- dghughes 4y agoKinzhal cost $2 million USD per missile and Russia supposedly hit a private home with one. Even Iskander missiles cost about the same. It may be an error in reporting it may have been "standard" cruise missile. But even so for a modern military what a stupid waste of now limited resources.
- tyingq 4y agoPretty soon Ukraine will be shooting Patriot missiles back at those for about $4M per shot.
- landoftheice 4y ago[dead]
- 0xDEF 4y agoCost is relative. If Kinzhals and Iskander only cost $2 million a country like Russia would have been able to produce many more of them. The low prices that Russia cites for its military equipment is propaganda to push the narrative that they can figh and win wars more effectively than the West. The prices that are listed for their tanks are often the subsidized per unit price of a handful tanks given to some African war lord.
- pydry 4y agoAccording to Ukraine they destroyed a private home. According to Russia one kinzhal vaporized a NATO secret operations base, even killing US officers. Both or neither could be true. In this conflict neither side will even admit to how many of their own troops have died. The fog of war is really thick.
- Doxin 4y agoWhile nothing is for sure, I'll grant the claims by Ukraine a lot more credence than those by Russia. Russia has a terrible track record when it comes to the truth.
- Exendroinients 4y agoDestroying civilian infrastructure is a valid strategy according to the russian doctrine. Focusing on ordinary apartments, though is just a waste of missiles after 1 year of war without the shock factor anymore. Unfortunately, they acquired iranian drones purposely for the civilian housing.