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I don't understand.. If a religion condemns homosexuality.. And you are homosexual.. Why would you want to subscribe to that religion ? Even more baffling to

by dusted 4y ago

I don't understand.. If a religion condemns homosexuality.. And you are homosexual.. Why would you want to subscribe to that religion ? Even more baffling to me, why would you want to be a preacher of that set of ideas ? I'm not religious.. I prefer the religious institutions be allowed to be as bigoted as is their nature, they must be allowed to show their true colors, so that people can see them for what they are and avoid them more readily.

alex77456 4y ago
Life is complicated i guess
nickd2001 4y ago
Personally, as a Catholic, I really don't think God is very interested whether people are gay or straight, as long as their relationships are based on mutual love and respect, and commitment rather than people "using" each other. I don't believe the Catholic church condemns homosexuality per se, rather, there are some high profile vociferous condemners of homosexuality in the church. Unfortunately some of these are saying this ultra-conservative stuff to hide the fact they're actually abusers. People thought that about Cardinal Pell, we may never know the truth. The problem with religion is.... people! Look at most of the world's religions, both great and terrible things are done in the name of them.... There are some great people in the Catholic church, that's what keeps me there. There are also sadly some not-so-great people and certainly the church has lost a lot fo moral authority having failed to address its own internal failings particularly abuse
stefs 4y ago
they are taught that homosexuality is bad and then, when they feel it themselves think ... * that the life of a priest will cure them * prevent them from having the opportunity for acting on their urges * or at least that the righteous lifestyle makes up for their sinful thoughts those people don't become priests despite being gay, they become priests because they are gay.
- dusted 4y ago
  That's an interesting perspective, I didn't consider how the indoctrination plays into it.
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- kieranjtierney 4y ago
  Or they are completely faithless & degenerate & go into the priesthood knowing it will provide them cover & opportunity to indulge in depravity. That explanation is just as valid as yours mildly closer to the truth.
  - dusted 4y ago
    I disagree with your using of the term "degenerate" to describe homosexuals, I also disagree with your using the term "depravity" to describe seeking consensual relations through an app, that seems unfounded. Your logic is strange, if they are completely faithless (like me!), then they see no moral wrong with them being as they are, and so, since they're doing nothing wrong, there is no need for "cover". As for opportunity, are you suggesting that the prist-population contains an higher than average homosexual non-pedophile men ? (I assume the pedophiles are not using the app since they have ample supply of choir boys?)
  - Eisenstein 4y ago
    Wouldn't it be easier to have gay sex with men when you aren't a priest, so you don't have to hide it? Your scenario makes no sense. What benefit does a gay priest have to get access to gay sex that isn't 100 times better as not a priest but just an openly gay man?

by dusted 4y ago

alex77456 4y ago

Life is complicated i guess

nickd2001 4y ago

Personally, as a Catholic, I really don't think God is very interested whether people are gay or straight, as long as their relationships are based on mutual love and respect, and commitment rather than people "using" each other. I don't believe the Catholic church condemns homosexuality per se, rather, there are some high profile vociferous condemners of homosexuality in the church. Unfortunately some of these are saying this ultra-conservative stuff to hide the fact they're actually abusers. People thought that about Cardinal Pell, we may never know the truth. The problem with religion is.... people! Look at most of the world's religions, both great and terrible things are done in the name of them.... There are some great people in the Catholic church, that's what keeps me there. There are also sadly some not-so-great people and certainly the church has lost a lot fo moral authority having failed to address its own internal failings particularly abuse

stefs 4y ago

they are taught that homosexuality is bad and then, when they feel it themselves think ... * that the life of a priest will cure them * prevent them from having the opportunity for acting on their urges * or at least that the righteous lifestyle makes up for their sinful thoughts those people don't become priests despite being gay, they become priests because they are gay.

dusted 4y ago
That's an interesting perspective, I didn't consider how the indoctrination plays into it.
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kieranjtierney 4y ago
Or they are completely faithless & degenerate & go into the priesthood knowing it will provide them cover & opportunity to indulge in depravity. That explanation is just as valid as yours mildly closer to the truth.
- dusted 4y ago
  I disagree with your using of the term "degenerate" to describe homosexuals, I also disagree with your using the term "depravity" to describe seeking consensual relations through an app, that seems unfounded. Your logic is strange, if they are completely faithless (like me!), then they see no moral wrong with them being as they are, and so, since they're doing nothing wrong, there is no need for "cover". As for opportunity, are you suggesting that the prist-population contains an higher than average homosexual non-pedophile men ? (I assume the pedophiles are not using the app since they have ample supply of choir boys?)
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  Wouldn't it be easier to have gay sex with men when you aren't a priest, so you don't have to hide it? Your scenario makes no sense. What benefit does a gay priest have to get access to gay sex that isn't 100 times better as not a priest but just an openly gay man?