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The startups are the ones that get the funds now, right? The startup now is guaranteed to have the funds to pay their employees etc. Mark Cuban gets money if h

by aik 4y ago

The startups are the ones that get the funds now, right? The startup now is guaranteed to have the funds to pay their employees etc. Mark Cuban gets money if his investment in the startup is a success, and only then. I’m happy the startup can now survive. What exactly is the issue?

iancmceachern 4y ago
The issue is the US public paid into the startup via the bailout and doesn't have the corresponding shares. It's making the general public pay for the down side while having the rich VCs get the upside
- nine_zeros 4y ago
  > The issue is the US public paid into the startup via the bailout and doesn't have the corresponding shares. It's making the general public pay for the down side while having the rich VCs get the upside There is no tax payer money in the bailout because there is no bailout.
  - kyawzazaw 4y ago
    isn't the insurance fund ultimately something the taxpayers would be backing since it is the something the banks pay into the FED?
  - YeBanKo 4y ago
    Iirc SVB’s assets aren’t enough to cover all withdrawals, esp if sold now. FDIC is either taking of the risk or covering the diffs. Money has to come from somewhere.
  - iancmceachern 4y ago
    A lot of the reputable coverage I'm seeing is saying that they don't want us to think its a bailout, but it's indeed a bailout.
    - nine_zeros 4y ago
      > A lot of the reputable coverage I'm seeing is saying that they don't want us to think its a bailout, but it's indeed a bailout. Sounds like the coverage you are reading is either misleading you or is misled themselves.
    - aik 4y ago
      It’s indeed very complicated in any case. My understanding is a vast majority of the funds to cover the depositors is/will be coming from (1) the eventual sale of SVBs assets, which is worth an unknown amount given the FDIC must sell all assets within a few years (3-5?), and (2) the $250k insured amount from FDIC’s DIF. Short term the FDIC is providing an advance dividend to cover as much of the depositors as they can. Where the remaining amount is coming from, however much that ends up being (an unknown), is an unknown as far as I understand. It could come from a “special assessment” (a way for the FDIC to collect additional money from banks)… of which some could possibly be passed down to consumers eventually I think, indirectly, or just worse terms. If so it might be a relatively small amount of the total assets, but I have no idea - depends on the sale of SVB’s assets.

by aik 4y ago

iancmceachern 4y ago

The issue is the US public paid into the startup via the bailout and doesn't have the corresponding shares. It's making the general public pay for the down side while having the rich VCs get the upside

nine_zeros 4y ago
> The issue is the US public paid into the startup via the bailout and doesn't have the corresponding shares. It's making the general public pay for the down side while having the rich VCs get the upside There is no tax payer money in the bailout because there is no bailout.
- kyawzazaw 4y ago
  isn't the insurance fund ultimately something the taxpayers would be backing since it is the something the banks pay into the FED?
- YeBanKo 4y ago
  Iirc SVB’s assets aren’t enough to cover all withdrawals, esp if sold now. FDIC is either taking of the risk or covering the diffs. Money has to come from somewhere.
- iancmceachern 4y ago
  A lot of the reputable coverage I'm seeing is saying that they don't want us to think its a bailout, but it's indeed a bailout.
  - nine_zeros 4y ago
    > A lot of the reputable coverage I'm seeing is saying that they don't want us to think its a bailout, but it's indeed a bailout. Sounds like the coverage you are reading is either misleading you or is misled themselves.
  - aik 4y ago
    It’s indeed very complicated in any case. My understanding is a vast majority of the funds to cover the depositors is/will be coming from (1) the eventual sale of SVBs assets, which is worth an unknown amount given the FDIC must sell all assets within a few years (3-5?), and (2) the $250k insured amount from FDIC’s DIF. Short term the FDIC is providing an advance dividend to cover as much of the depositors as they can. Where the remaining amount is coming from, however much that ends up being (an unknown), is an unknown as far as I understand. It could come from a “special assessment” (a way for the FDIC to collect additional money from banks)… of which some could possibly be passed down to consumers eventually I think, indirectly, or just worse terms. If so it might be a relatively small amount of the total assets, but I have no idea - depends on the sale of SVB’s assets.