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To be fair, SpaceX offered starlink for free. Then later the man-child twitted some bullshit about ceding large parts of Ukraine to their invader as some weird

To be fair, SpaceX offered starlink for free. Then later the man-child twitted some bullshit about ceding large parts of Ukraine to their invader as some weird attempt to mollify the aggressor. When Ukraine rightly told him to fuck off he decided to pull the plug. It was only later that he made up the thing about cost. The way it played out could cause some cautious people to look for some assurances. Asking how you can trust someone who has proven himself to be mercurial, thin -skinned and prone to snap decisions, prone to conspiracy thinking, and with a proven track record of retaliation against anyone who questions his decisions up to and including baseless accusations of heinous crimes… Pretty good question actually.

mlindner 4y ago
Ukraine never told him to fuck off, and the plug was never pulled. That was the misreporting talked about in the post you replied to.
dzhiurgis 4y ago
> some bullshit about ceding large parts of Ukraine to their invader Interesting this idea still is a huge taboo in Eastern Europe, while rest of the world kinda moved on. btw this is same bullshit that China proposed
- jhgb 4y ago
  > while rest of the world kinda moved on So "rest of the world" negotiates with terrorists nowadays?
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  Because last time when we were ceding territories of other countries to appease a dictator, it was year 1938 and we were ceding parts of Czechoslovakia. Guess what? It did not worked and WW2 started a year later. Really, is it so hard to learn from a recent history?
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Who is 'we' here. The US didn't do anything in 1938. And the Brits and have done so lots of times since then. And lets not pretend the US doesn't have a long history of ceding issues to dictators if convenient. Handing over Afghanistan to the Taliban is apparently totally ok, but not defending Crimea is like the Münich conference. Looking at isolated cases in history you can come up with lots of example for anything and everything. Its a typical politician move to pick the singular events and then act as if it is a universal lesson for every situation. One can make the argument, but just say 'Münich' as if it settles everything is dumb.
    - TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
      So what will happen with same appeasement in Ukraine? After few years of "peace" war will continue again. So you lost with appeasement and you got war again. Oh yeah we already did it, 2014 was supposed to be "enough", but 8 years later, here we are, dictator wants more. Rinse and repeat

mlindner 4y ago

Ukraine never told him to fuck off, and the plug was never pulled. That was the misreporting talked about in the post you replied to.

dzhiurgis 4y ago

> some bullshit about ceding large parts of Ukraine to their invader Interesting this idea still is a huge taboo in Eastern Europe, while rest of the world kinda moved on. btw this is same bullshit that China proposed

jhgb 4y ago
> while rest of the world kinda moved on So "rest of the world" negotiates with terrorists nowadays?
TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
Because last time when we were ceding territories of other countries to appease a dictator, it was year 1938 and we were ceding parts of Czechoslovakia. Guess what? It did not worked and WW2 started a year later. Really, is it so hard to learn from a recent history?
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Who is 'we' here. The US didn't do anything in 1938. And the Brits and have done so lots of times since then. And lets not pretend the US doesn't have a long history of ceding issues to dictators if convenient. Handing over Afghanistan to the Taliban is apparently totally ok, but not defending Crimea is like the Münich conference. Looking at isolated cases in history you can come up with lots of example for anything and everything. Its a typical politician move to pick the singular events and then act as if it is a universal lesson for every situation. One can make the argument, but just say 'Münich' as if it settles everything is dumb.
  - TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
    So what will happen with same appeasement in Ukraine? After few years of "peace" war will continue again. So you lost with appeasement and you got war again. Oh yeah we already did it, 2014 was supposed to be "enough", but 8 years later, here we are, dictator wants more. Rinse and repeat