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As a Independent non-aligned American voter, I have to ask myself did Peter Thiel deliberately cause a run on SVB? Did Elon Musk buy Twitter to destroy it as an

As a Independent non-aligned American voter, I have to ask myself did Peter Thiel deliberately cause a run on SVB? Did Elon Musk buy Twitter to destroy it as an effective platform for Democratic organizing? Is Musk coordinating with Tucker Carlson to push propaganda that Jan 6 was merely constitutionally protected protest? And are House Republicans coordinating with Thiel, Musk and Tucker Carlson over the debt ceiling limit to cause a financial crisis to bring down the Federal government to accrue power to themselves? Like Carlson, I'm just asking questions.

Vecr 4y ago
Only the Jan 6 protest outside the in-use government buildings was constitutionally protected. As far as I know the congress does not have to allow random people to disturb them while in session and can enforce that. In general, it's safe for the police to do so, I think they should arrest all rioters on basic misdemeanor charges, do a bit of investigation, and then let those go who did not do anything. Obviously in this case if you went into the senate chamber you would get at least a misdemeanor trespassing charge.
- labrador 4y ago
  There's a big effort on the right, including by Musk, to rewrite history and portray them as political prisoners ahead of the 2024 election.
  - christophilus 4y ago
    There’s been a big effort on both sides to rewrite history. A bunch of dumb, rowdy protestors made some dumb moves. One side heralds them as patriotic heroes. The other as dangerous, violent insurrectionists the like of which we’ve never seen. Nah. They were just a big, dumb crowd doing big dumb things.
    - labrador 4y ago
      I agree with you. There were small groups like the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys who invaded the capitol in "stack" formations following premeditated plans. Nobody talks about them much. Instead the media wants to talk about the hapless enthusiasts who LARPed their way into committing minor crimes following the breaches created by these more committed groups.
- ok_dad 4y ago
  Well, the one person who tried to “peacefully” climb over several barriers, bust a window, and enter any sort of chambers (while screaming and threatening violence) was shot due to the threat of the other several hundred “peaceful protestors” that day. I guess you and I have read different accounts of what went down.
- pseudo0 4y ago
  That video of the Capitol Police escorting the QAnon shaman through the building and opening doors for him is pretty damning. If he was not authorized to be there, the police should have thrown him out, not given him a guided tour. Charging him after the fact seems highly suspect. If he had a good faith belief that he was authorized to be there, because of the actions and statements made by police officers, then he should not have been convicted. But he is currently serving a 41 month sentence after pleading guilty. Anyone fighting with cops or otherwise rioting deserves whatever charges are appropriate for those actions though.
  - labrador 4y ago
    As explained by Lawrence O'Donnell, the capitol police were out-numbered and could not safely take anyone into custody, and doing so would take them away from their duties to protect the capitol. At that point they were escorting him to a safe place.
    - pseudo0 4y ago
      If the footage had been made available as legally required, they could have figured issues like that out during trial. Unfortunately the footage was not made available by the state, and now it's questionable whether Chansley will appeal, given how he will be released shortly. Jonathan Turley has a good summary of the situation: https://jonathanturley.org/2023/03/08/did-the-qanon-shaman-get-the-shaft-new-evidence-raises-new-questions-on-the-chansley-case/ https://jonathanturley.org/2023/03/08/did-the-qanon-shaman-g...

Vecr 4y ago

Only the Jan 6 protest outside the in-use government buildings was constitutionally protected. As far as I know the congress does not have to allow random people to disturb them while in session and can enforce that. In general, it's safe for the police to do so, I think they should arrest all rioters on basic misdemeanor charges, do a bit of investigation, and then let those go who did not do anything. Obviously in this case if you went into the senate chamber you would get at least a misdemeanor trespassing charge.

labrador 4y ago
There's a big effort on the right, including by Musk, to rewrite history and portray them as political prisoners ahead of the 2024 election.
- christophilus 4y ago
  There’s been a big effort on both sides to rewrite history. A bunch of dumb, rowdy protestors made some dumb moves. One side heralds them as patriotic heroes. The other as dangerous, violent insurrectionists the like of which we’ve never seen. Nah. They were just a big, dumb crowd doing big dumb things.
  - labrador 4y ago
    I agree with you. There were small groups like the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys who invaded the capitol in "stack" formations following premeditated plans. Nobody talks about them much. Instead the media wants to talk about the hapless enthusiasts who LARPed their way into committing minor crimes following the breaches created by these more committed groups.
ok_dad 4y ago
Well, the one person who tried to “peacefully” climb over several barriers, bust a window, and enter any sort of chambers (while screaming and threatening violence) was shot due to the threat of the other several hundred “peaceful protestors” that day. I guess you and I have read different accounts of what went down.
pseudo0 4y ago
That video of the Capitol Police escorting the QAnon shaman through the building and opening doors for him is pretty damning. If he was not authorized to be there, the police should have thrown him out, not given him a guided tour. Charging him after the fact seems highly suspect. If he had a good faith belief that he was authorized to be there, because of the actions and statements made by police officers, then he should not have been convicted. But he is currently serving a 41 month sentence after pleading guilty. Anyone fighting with cops or otherwise rioting deserves whatever charges are appropriate for those actions though.
- labrador 4y ago
  As explained by Lawrence O'Donnell, the capitol police were out-numbered and could not safely take anyone into custody, and doing so would take them away from their duties to protect the capitol. At that point they were escorting him to a safe place.
  - pseudo0 4y ago
    If the footage had been made available as legally required, they could have figured issues like that out during trial. Unfortunately the footage was not made available by the state, and now it's questionable whether Chansley will appeal, given how he will be released shortly. Jonathan Turley has a good summary of the situation: https://jonathanturley.org/2023/03/08/did-the-qanon-shaman-get-the-shaft-new-evidence-raises-new-questions-on-the-chansley-case/ https://jonathanturley.org/2023/03/08/did-the-qanon-shaman-g...