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It was Musk himself who announced that they will be providing Starlink, nobody forced him to, he was praised for it. Now, after failing to blackmail DoD for fu

by Giorgi 4y ago

It was Musk himself who announced that they will be providing Starlink, nobody forced him to, he was praised for it. Now, after failing to blackmail DoD for funding, he is trying to limit it and is shit on and rightfully so. Not to mention his recent dumbfuck proRussian comments on twitter. All in all - don't bite what you can't chew.

dotnet00 4y ago
Yeah, the lesson for SpaceX certainly has been that no good deed goes unpunished. Instead of assuming that everyone will act in good faith, they'll just have to assume everyone's like you and turn down future public requests for emergency aid until they have everything down on paper. Of course then you'll be complaining about the rich/big companies not helping anyone.
- clouddrover 4y ago
  > Instead of assuming that everyone will act in good faith Musk never acts in good faith. Just one example is his desperate and failed six month attempt to back out of the Twitter deal that he himself proposed and agreed to: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/why-musk-gave-up-hes-almost-certain-to-lose-twitter-case-law-professor-says/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/why-musk-gave-up... The correct assumption when dealing with Musk is that he will act in bad faith. That is his track record.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    Musk historically almost always acts in good faith. He's never been in it for the money.
    - clouddrover 4y ago
      > He's never been in it for the money. Ah, so he must be in it for the bullshit and the lies. Like with his supposed full self-driving. Falsely claiming FSD "next year", year after year: https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-next-year-for-th-1848432496 https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne... In reality Teslas can't even park themselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA Falsely claiming all Teslas have the hardware for FSD in 2016: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... In reality the older Teslas now won't get Hardware 4: https://electrek.co/2023/01/26/elon-musk-kills-hope-tesla-retrofitting-new-autopilot-self-driving-hardware/ https://electrek.co/2023/01/26/elon-musk-kills-hope-tesla-re... That's some real good good faith.
      - mlindner 4y ago
        He's excited to bring the future to people and often overestimates the capabilities of existing technology and how fast things can be improved. Again, in good faith, and has often derided his past self on how overly optimistic his past predictions are. > In reality Teslas can't even park themselves A ten second youtube search shows several recent videos showing it working just fine. > In reality the older Teslas now won't get Hardware 4 The second link does not disagree with the first. Hardware 4 is not necessary for FSD, and has been officially stated as such in multiple places, including in the article you yourself provided. There was never any promises that hardware 3 would be capable of being retrofitted to hardware 4. In the same investor's call hardware 5 was talked about as well.
        clouddrover 4y ago
        > He's excited to bring the future to people Is he? Is that why he spends his time falsely claiming cave divers are paedophiles and why he publicly mocks people with muscular dystrophy? > and often overestimates the capabilities of existing technology So what you're saying is he bullshits and he lies. You do appear to be fully bought in to the Musk Mythology. At this point the only person who can help you see the more simple (and uglier) Musk Reality is you. It will be a hard road for you.
        mlindner 4y ago
        If you're not going to try to engage in reasonable discussions I'm not going to continue to respond. The first event is ancient history and started with a public personal attack by said individual against Musk, and the second Musk apologized for as he was misinformed by others. > So what you're saying is he bullshits and he lies. No that's not what I said. Please follow hacker news guidelines. > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        clouddrover 4y ago
wazer5 4y ago
Biden administration locked Elon out of the big contracts that Trump was giving out (global missile defense). He has since aligned himself very publicly with Republicans.
prepend 4y ago
I don’t think “pay for my stuff or stop using it” is really blackmail, no?

by Giorgi 4y ago

dotnet00 4y ago

Yeah, the lesson for SpaceX certainly has been that no good deed goes unpunished. Instead of assuming that everyone will act in good faith, they'll just have to assume everyone's like you and turn down future public requests for emergency aid until they have everything down on paper. Of course then you'll be complaining about the rich/big companies not helping anyone.

clouddrover 4y ago
> Instead of assuming that everyone will act in good faith Musk never acts in good faith. Just one example is his desperate and failed six month attempt to back out of the Twitter deal that he himself proposed and agreed to: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/why-musk-gave-up-hes-almost-certain-to-lose-twitter-case-law-professor-says/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/why-musk-gave-up... The correct assumption when dealing with Musk is that he will act in bad faith. That is his track record.
- mlindner 4y ago
  Musk historically almost always acts in good faith. He's never been in it for the money.
  - clouddrover 4y ago
    > He's never been in it for the money. Ah, so he must be in it for the bullshit and the lies. Like with his supposed full self-driving. Falsely claiming FSD "next year", year after year: https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-next-year-for-th-1848432496 https://jalopnik.com/elon-musk-promises-full-self-driving-ne... In reality Teslas can't even park themselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA Falsely claiming all Teslas have the hardware for FSD in 2016: https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now-have-full-self-driving-hardware https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-tesla-cars-being-produced-now... In reality the older Teslas now won't get Hardware 4: https://electrek.co/2023/01/26/elon-musk-kills-hope-tesla-retrofitting-new-autopilot-self-driving-hardware/ https://electrek.co/2023/01/26/elon-musk-kills-hope-tesla-re... That's some real good good faith.
    - mlindner 4y ago
      He's excited to bring the future to people and often overestimates the capabilities of existing technology and how fast things can be improved. Again, in good faith, and has often derided his past self on how overly optimistic his past predictions are. > In reality Teslas can't even park themselves A ten second youtube search shows several recent videos showing it working just fine. > In reality the older Teslas now won't get Hardware 4 The second link does not disagree with the first. Hardware 4 is not necessary for FSD, and has been officially stated as such in multiple places, including in the article you yourself provided. There was never any promises that hardware 3 would be capable of being retrofitted to hardware 4. In the same investor's call hardware 5 was talked about as well.
      - clouddrover 4y ago
        > He's excited to bring the future to people Is he? Is that why he spends his time falsely claiming cave divers are paedophiles and why he publicly mocks people with muscular dystrophy? > and often overestimates the capabilities of existing technology So what you're saying is he bullshits and he lies. You do appear to be fully bought in to the Musk Mythology. At this point the only person who can help you see the more simple (and uglier) Musk Reality is you. It will be a hard road for you.
        mlindner 4y ago
        If you're not going to try to engage in reasonable discussions I'm not going to continue to respond. The first event is ancient history and started with a public personal attack by said individual against Musk, and the second Musk apologized for as he was misinformed by others. > So what you're saying is he bullshits and he lies. No that's not what I said. Please follow hacker news guidelines. > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        clouddrover 4y ago

wazer5 4y ago

Biden administration locked Elon out of the big contracts that Trump was giving out (global missile defense). He has since aligned himself very publicly with Republicans.

prepend 4y ago

I don’t think “pay for my stuff or stop using it” is really blackmail, no?