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Built on Electron? Hard pass. The scourge of the modern age.

baal80spam 4y ago
Not to mention 100 MB for a terminal app. What in the world? edit: just looked into the linked discussion: "The gzipped tar for this is 90MB. It's 265MB unzipped." This is madness.
- mariusmg 4y ago
  >This is madness. Yeap, even Sparta would bow down to a 265 MB terminal app.
crispinb 4y ago
Without Electron (or electronalikes), very few of the (extremely useful to me) mainstream commercial apps would be available for the Linux desktop. Before Electron, indeed, they weren't. That said, although I haven't tried Tabby so have a slightly open mind on that particular case, terminals seem like the wrong use for web tech. There's no shortage of native terminals on any platform.
- xcdzvyn 4y ago
  Good. Keep Discord out of FOSS.
- efrecon 4y ago
  I have been using VS code remote tunnels recently and used the terminal from there when connected. It's been surprisingly an ok experience. Perhaps not the fastest terminal on earth, but it'll work for most workflows
  - crispinb 4y ago
    I'm not a routine VS Code user but agree it's good. Those guys know what they're doing. A slightly different case from a standalone terminal really.
wackget 4y ago
It's still trendy to hate on Electron? Give it up. The ship has sailed. I like native apps as much as anyone else but you've got to realise the absolute clusterfuck that is cross-platform development. Plus building rich GUIs is actually feasible when using tools that are actually meant to build rich GUIs (i.e. HTML/CSS/JS).
- crispinb 4y ago
  I'd give up arguing with people about it! I agree web tech is going to stay on the desktop, so I'm happy to let them whinge at the moon while I continue to use sofware on Linux I otherwise would have no access to. And it's only going to get better. Tauri's promising. I don't know any more than the next punter what the future will be, but my own guess would be web tech getting more significant in desktop UIs, not less. The combinatorial explosion of multiple OSs plus fragmentation of UI toolkits on each desktop platform seems to make web UIs a likely continuing target of choice for many apps. No-one will stop using software they like or need because someone they will never meet dupes a sneer about it on the internet.
- carapace 4y ago
  > absolute clusterfuck that is cross-platform development TCL/Tk
- smarkov 4y ago
  > tools that are actually meant to build rich GUIs (i.e. HTML/CSS/JS) You had me until this part. If those 3 were meant to build rich GUIs we wouldn't have new JS frameworks and a load of bundling tools coming out every year. They were meant to give documents structure and style, that's it. We molded them into the monstrosity they are today. The appeal is not that they're a pleasure making GUIs with, it's that you go through the nightmare once and it works everywhere, rather than going through 3 different nightmares.
  - phist_mcgee 4y ago
    Yeah and C was designed for writing operating systems on mini computers and now we've got c++, what's your point?

Not to mention 100 MB for a terminal app. What in the world? edit: just looked into the linked discussion: "The gzipped tar for this is 90MB. It's 265MB unzipped." This is madness.

mariusmg 4y ago
>This is madness. Yeap, even Sparta would bow down to a 265 MB terminal app.

crispinb 4y ago

Without Electron (or electronalikes), very few of the (extremely useful to me) mainstream commercial apps would be available for the Linux desktop. Before Electron, indeed, they weren't. That said, although I haven't tried Tabby so have a slightly open mind on that particular case, terminals seem like the wrong use for web tech. There's no shortage of native terminals on any platform.

xcdzvyn 4y ago
Good. Keep Discord out of FOSS.
efrecon 4y ago
I have been using VS code remote tunnels recently and used the terminal from there when connected. It's been surprisingly an ok experience. Perhaps not the fastest terminal on earth, but it'll work for most workflows
- crispinb 4y ago
  I'm not a routine VS Code user but agree it's good. Those guys know what they're doing. A slightly different case from a standalone terminal really.

wackget 4y ago

It's still trendy to hate on Electron? Give it up. The ship has sailed. I like native apps as much as anyone else but you've got to realise the absolute clusterfuck that is cross-platform development. Plus building rich GUIs is actually feasible when using tools that are actually meant to build rich GUIs (i.e. HTML/CSS/JS).

crispinb 4y ago
I'd give up arguing with people about it! I agree web tech is going to stay on the desktop, so I'm happy to let them whinge at the moon while I continue to use sofware on Linux I otherwise would have no access to. And it's only going to get better. Tauri's promising. I don't know any more than the next punter what the future will be, but my own guess would be web tech getting more significant in desktop UIs, not less. The combinatorial explosion of multiple OSs plus fragmentation of UI toolkits on each desktop platform seems to make web UIs a likely continuing target of choice for many apps. No-one will stop using software they like or need because someone they will never meet dupes a sneer about it on the internet.
carapace 4y ago
> absolute clusterfuck that is cross-platform development TCL/Tk
smarkov 4y ago
> tools that are actually meant to build rich GUIs (i.e. HTML/CSS/JS) You had me until this part. If those 3 were meant to build rich GUIs we wouldn't have new JS frameworks and a load of bundling tools coming out every year. They were meant to give documents structure and style, that's it. We molded them into the monstrosity they are today. The appeal is not that they're a pleasure making GUIs with, it's that you go through the nightmare once and it works everywhere, rather than going through 3 different nightmares.
- phist_mcgee 4y ago
  Yeah and C was designed for writing operating systems on mini computers and now we've got c++, what's your point?