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> I don't know what to tell you about "moderation interventions seeming partial". I've been here for some years now, and I can say weirdness that seems partial

by Tozen 4y ago

> I don't know what to tell you about "moderation interventions seeming partial". I've been here for some years now, and I can say weirdness that seems partial, continually happens. For instance, all site submissions that I've made for the last 2 weeks appeared shadowbanned/ghostbanned. They are not "dead", they simply don't show to the public. When such things happens, it can leave users wondering if there is something going on with moderation, which is linked to the type of views expressed.

dang 4y ago
People are far too quick to jump to sinister conclusions when usually the phenomena are mundane and/or random. We're always happy to answer questions. > all site submissions that I've made for the last 2 weeks appeared shadowbanned/ghostbanned. They are not "dead", they simply don't show to the public. That's not true. What made you think it was? 2 your submissions were killed because the sites are banned; one of those submissions was vouched for by users, which is fine. Another 2 (the youtube ones) were killed by a spam filter which might have been buggy - I need to dig deeper into that. All your other submissions of the last 2 weeks were fine. Also, the ones that were killed were marked [dead] the normal way.
- Tozen 4y ago
  Well, any link that I have tried to submit, still doesn't show publicly. The latest doesn't show dead either, just doesn't show period. You are saying it's a possible glitch, but this glitch has been 100% at stopping the public showing of any submissions for going on 3 weeks. Most people would think something odd is going on.
  - dang 4y ago
    > this glitch has been 100% at stopping the public showing of any submissions for going on 3 weeks No, these went through fine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34961515 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34961515 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34940475 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34940475 Two were killed because the sites are banned. The remainder were all youtu.be links - that's still part of a spam filter because for many years those shortcuts were posted mostly by spammers. Our software converts them to youtube.com now because it follows canonical URLs, but it doesn't unban them. I need to look at the data to decide if we should change that or not. In the meantime, if you post youtube.com links directly they should be fine.
    - Tozen 4y ago
      I see. Actually, there are some other sites that don't accept youtu.be links as well. For some reason, didn't remember it being an issue here, but I guess so. That should explain why they don't show as dead, but also don't show publicly.
    - Tozen 4y ago
      Something else to possibly consider, is the submission rate restrictions, on top of glitches. Like blocking people from submitting a link based on frequency. An example is I submitted 1 link 2 days ago, and an attempt to post a new one gets the "submitting too fast" type message. Possibly some ongoing punishment that was handed out in the past, but appears to have no time limit. This can arguably be seen as a defacto ban or even censorship if a person is opposed to the reasons for the punishment. 1 submission per 2 or 3 days, is such a reduced frequency of posting level, that the person may not bother anymore. As it is, I don't come around here too much anymore.
    - Tozen 4y ago
      To put this in perspective, in terms of defacto banning or shadowbanning. After 5 days, still can not submit anything. Any attempts to submit a link, results in "You're posting too fast." Blocking any submissions for 5 days or more, on top of glitches, is just about the equivalent of a ban. The reasons for it can be glitches, censoring, subjective administrative prerogative, etc... But from the user perspective, it's hard to see it as just "random" occurrences.
      - dang 4y ago
        The rate limit works at the "all posts" level, so it doesn't distinguish between submissions and comments. I looked at your recent comment history and it doesn't look to be breaking the site guidelines, so I've taken the rate limit off your account To prevent it kicking in again, please remember that on HN the idea is to value quality over quantity, and be sure that you're up to date on the guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

by Tozen 4y ago

dang 4y ago

People are far too quick to jump to sinister conclusions when usually the phenomena are mundane and/or random. We're always happy to answer questions. > all site submissions that I've made for the last 2 weeks appeared shadowbanned/ghostbanned. They are not "dead", they simply don't show to the public. That's not true. What made you think it was? 2 your submissions were killed because the sites are banned; one of those submissions was vouched for by users, which is fine. Another 2 (the youtube ones) were killed by a spam filter which might have been buggy - I need to dig deeper into that. All your other submissions of the last 2 weeks were fine. Also, the ones that were killed were marked [dead] the normal way.

Tozen 4y ago
Well, any link that I have tried to submit, still doesn't show publicly. The latest doesn't show dead either, just doesn't show period. You are saying it's a possible glitch, but this glitch has been 100% at stopping the public showing of any submissions for going on 3 weeks. Most people would think something odd is going on.
- dang 4y ago
  > this glitch has been 100% at stopping the public showing of any submissions for going on 3 weeks No, these went through fine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34961515 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34961515 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34940475 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34940475 Two were killed because the sites are banned. The remainder were all youtu.be links - that's still part of a spam filter because for many years those shortcuts were posted mostly by spammers. Our software converts them to youtube.com now because it follows canonical URLs, but it doesn't unban them. I need to look at the data to decide if we should change that or not. In the meantime, if you post youtube.com links directly they should be fine.
  - Tozen 4y ago
    I see. Actually, there are some other sites that don't accept youtu.be links as well. For some reason, didn't remember it being an issue here, but I guess so. That should explain why they don't show as dead, but also don't show publicly.
  - Tozen 4y ago
    Something else to possibly consider, is the submission rate restrictions, on top of glitches. Like blocking people from submitting a link based on frequency. An example is I submitted 1 link 2 days ago, and an attempt to post a new one gets the "submitting too fast" type message. Possibly some ongoing punishment that was handed out in the past, but appears to have no time limit. This can arguably be seen as a defacto ban or even censorship if a person is opposed to the reasons for the punishment. 1 submission per 2 or 3 days, is such a reduced frequency of posting level, that the person may not bother anymore. As it is, I don't come around here too much anymore.
  - Tozen 4y ago
    To put this in perspective, in terms of defacto banning or shadowbanning. After 5 days, still can not submit anything. Any attempts to submit a link, results in "You're posting too fast." Blocking any submissions for 5 days or more, on top of glitches, is just about the equivalent of a ban. The reasons for it can be glitches, censoring, subjective administrative prerogative, etc... But from the user perspective, it's hard to see it as just "random" occurrences.
    - dang 4y ago
      The rate limit works at the "all posts" level, so it doesn't distinguish between submissions and comments. I looked at your recent comment history and it doesn't look to be breaking the site guidelines, so I've taken the rate limit off your account To prevent it kicking in again, please remember that on HN the idea is to value quality over quantity, and be sure that you're up to date on the guidelines at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.