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> Being fat seems to be the most appealing one It's not the most appealing one, it's the hardest one to manage. You can not smoke, you can not drink alcohol, y

> Being fat seems to be the most appealing one It's not the most appealing one, it's the hardest one to manage. You can not smoke, you can not drink alcohol, you can not take drugs, but you cannot not eat.

arcanemachiner 4y ago
You can eat real food instead of processed garbage, for starters. Nobody's getting fat eating vegetables.
- crazygringo 4y ago
  Actually, cutting potatoes and other starchy vegetables is a major part of weight loss for a lot of people. High-starch vegetables are a major contributor to obesity.
  - choeger 4y ago
    I call bullshit. The average cooked potatoe has 25% less calories than rice or pasta. You'd have to eat 3kg of cooked potatoes to get 2100kcal. I am pretty certain it is near impossible to get fat from eating potatoes. Go give it a try. I bet that it is the "frying" part or the sauce or butter that comes with it, that leaves a lasting impression on the hips.
    - amrocha 4y ago
      Brother, weight lifters literally eat sweet potatoes to put on weight
      - stametseater 4y ago
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- stametseater 4y ago
  There's a popular internet myth that junk food is cheaper than veggies. Of course it isn't true; junk food is more expensive by weight than anything in the produce aisle, with possible exceptions for exotic imported fruits. How this myth survives people wandering around a grocery store looking at price stickers is beyond my comprehension. A 5lb bag of potatoes costs less than a half pound bag of potato chips.
  - huijzer 4y ago
    It's probably the difference in looking at weight versus calories. A cauliflower is, on average, 0.7-0.9 kg (1.5-2 pounds) and provides about 25 calories. A McDonalds burger is, on average, 0.2 kg (0.441 pounds) with about 250 calories. The cauliflower currently costs about 3 euros (yes, you read that right) in the Netherlands while a burger costs around 7 euros. So, calories per euro is 8 for the cauliflower and 35 for the burger.
    - frumper 4y ago
      I want to see this mythical almost half pound burger that is only 250 calories. The "hamburger" that is 250 calories has a patty less than 2 ounces, and hardly anything on it. I doubt the bun weights 1/4 pound.
    - amon22 4y ago
      A head of cauliflower is around 210 calories when cooked, similar to the cheeseburger in your example.
      - amrocha 4y ago
        A head of cauliflower is not a meal
    - hexedpackets 4y ago
      A cup of cauliflower is about 25 calories. A 2 pound head of cauliflower is 224 calories, only about 10% less than the burger.
  - 4y ago
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  Healthy food can be fattening and unhealthy food can be not fattening. It has very little to do with the type of food and everything to do with the density of calories in the food, and the amount of that food eaten. No one ever got fat eating only vegetables. But you can't eat only vegetables and get all the necessary nutrients(at least not easily).
  - stametseater 4y ago
    > No one ever got fat eating only vegetables. But you can't eat only vegetables and get all the necessary nutrients(at least not easily). Throw some eggs or lean chicken meat into the mix and you've got a complete diet that would be very difficult to become fat on.
  - vjk800 4y ago
    You can, it's called veganism and lots of people do it. However, you don't have to be that "extreme". Just eating mostly vegetables and cutting out all the obvious crap will do. The fact that this is somehow unimaginably strict to many people just shows how completely fucked up our relationship with food is. Most of the foods that make us fat didn't even exist a hundred years ago (at least in its modern, highly processed form) and now people somehow can't imagine living without them.
    - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
      Sure, but to be vegan you have to know wtf you're doing, because it's really easy to get malnourished in various ways. And unless you want to eat nasty fermented beans or something you need b12 supplements at the very least. Getting iron from non-heme sources is also kind of hit-or-miss.
  - pkolaczk 4y ago
    Our bodies are not adjusted to eating food with high calory density. Junk food messes up the system the way you feel hungry despite eating enough calories, and that leads to eating too much and becoming obese. You're right that eating the right number of calories in junk food won't make you obese, but it is extremely hard to eat the right number of calories when eating mostly junk food. Eat healthy food, and eat only when you're hungry, and most likely your body would auto-regulate the calory intake just fine.
- iLoveOncall 4y ago
  Say that to all the obese vegetarians and vegans then? Not eating processed food doesn't mean eating healthy.
mancerayder 4y ago
You can cease buying sugary foods and snacks like chips at the supermarket when you shop. You can explore swapping macros a bit so there's a bias in favor of eggs and fish and other protein. You can try to cut down eating between meals. The idea of Predestination with regards to eating needs to stop. If there is a psychological addiction then that's the part to be addressed, it's a valid concern. I see what people eat - even people that are not obese - and it's disgusting. I can see at work, at restaurants, even walking in the streets what people eat. That this is 'normal' is what we have to actually try to stigmatize. Donuts, muffins, giant appetizes at dinner, all that stuff should be almost never eaten. Birthday cakes? All that stuff will become disgusting and nauseating to you if you step away from it for just a few months, and your body adapts away from sugar and carbs. It might be hard in the beginning as your metabolism struggles to adjust and keep signaling for you to eat more. And for the record - not drinking alcohol is a lot harder than not eating for many people I know.
- iLoveOncall 4y ago
  None of this matters when it comes to pure weight. You can eat the most healthy diet in the world and still be massively obese. On the other hand I have successfully lost 100 lbs in 6 months in the past, while eating fast food daily. I won't discuss the "healthiness" aspect of it, but losing weight is ONLY a matter of calories.
  - oska 4y ago
    > You can eat the most healthy diet in the world and still be massively obese. Strongly doubt this assertion
  - mancerayder 4y ago
    Then you're lucky. I a) intermittent fast, so never eat breakfast b) never eat dessert c) don't snack d) lift weights 3x a week and do other sports once a week e) don't eat fast food, and often skip appetizers, and stick to protein and veggies. If I don't do these things I get fat fast. So my sympathy for 'unlucky' is minimal; I'm sure only a small percentage of people suffer from such a poor metabolism that anything they eat causes the to gain weight. The rest choose not to put the effort in.

arcanemachiner 4y ago

You can eat real food instead of processed garbage, for starters. Nobody's getting fat eating vegetables.

crazygringo 4y ago
Actually, cutting potatoes and other starchy vegetables is a major part of weight loss for a lot of people. High-starch vegetables are a major contributor to obesity.
- choeger 4y ago
  I call bullshit. The average cooked potatoe has 25% less calories than rice or pasta. You'd have to eat 3kg of cooked potatoes to get 2100kcal. I am pretty certain it is near impossible to get fat from eating potatoes. Go give it a try. I bet that it is the "frying" part or the sauce or butter that comes with it, that leaves a lasting impression on the hips.
  - amrocha 4y ago
    Brother, weight lifters literally eat sweet potatoes to put on weight
    - stametseater 4y ago
      [dead]
stametseater 4y ago
There's a popular internet myth that junk food is cheaper than veggies. Of course it isn't true; junk food is more expensive by weight than anything in the produce aisle, with possible exceptions for exotic imported fruits. How this myth survives people wandering around a grocery store looking at price stickers is beyond my comprehension. A 5lb bag of potatoes costs less than a half pound bag of potato chips.
- huijzer 4y ago
  It's probably the difference in looking at weight versus calories. A cauliflower is, on average, 0.7-0.9 kg (1.5-2 pounds) and provides about 25 calories. A McDonalds burger is, on average, 0.2 kg (0.441 pounds) with about 250 calories. The cauliflower currently costs about 3 euros (yes, you read that right) in the Netherlands while a burger costs around 7 euros. So, calories per euro is 8 for the cauliflower and 35 for the burger.
  - frumper 4y ago
    I want to see this mythical almost half pound burger that is only 250 calories. The "hamburger" that is 250 calories has a patty less than 2 ounces, and hardly anything on it. I doubt the bun weights 1/4 pound.
  - amon22 4y ago
    A head of cauliflower is around 210 calories when cooked, similar to the cheeseburger in your example.
    - amrocha 4y ago
      A head of cauliflower is not a meal
  - hexedpackets 4y ago
    A cup of cauliflower is about 25 calories. A 2 pound head of cauliflower is 224 calories, only about 10% less than the burger.
- 4y ago
mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
Healthy food can be fattening and unhealthy food can be not fattening. It has very little to do with the type of food and everything to do with the density of calories in the food, and the amount of that food eaten. No one ever got fat eating only vegetables. But you can't eat only vegetables and get all the necessary nutrients(at least not easily).
- stametseater 4y ago
  > No one ever got fat eating only vegetables. But you can't eat only vegetables and get all the necessary nutrients(at least not easily). Throw some eggs or lean chicken meat into the mix and you've got a complete diet that would be very difficult to become fat on.
- vjk800 4y ago
  You can, it's called veganism and lots of people do it. However, you don't have to be that "extreme". Just eating mostly vegetables and cutting out all the obvious crap will do. The fact that this is somehow unimaginably strict to many people just shows how completely fucked up our relationship with food is. Most of the foods that make us fat didn't even exist a hundred years ago (at least in its modern, highly processed form) and now people somehow can't imagine living without them.
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    Sure, but to be vegan you have to know wtf you're doing, because it's really easy to get malnourished in various ways. And unless you want to eat nasty fermented beans or something you need b12 supplements at the very least. Getting iron from non-heme sources is also kind of hit-or-miss.
- pkolaczk 4y ago
  Our bodies are not adjusted to eating food with high calory density. Junk food messes up the system the way you feel hungry despite eating enough calories, and that leads to eating too much and becoming obese. You're right that eating the right number of calories in junk food won't make you obese, but it is extremely hard to eat the right number of calories when eating mostly junk food. Eat healthy food, and eat only when you're hungry, and most likely your body would auto-regulate the calory intake just fine.
iLoveOncall 4y ago
Say that to all the obese vegetarians and vegans then? Not eating processed food doesn't mean eating healthy.

mancerayder 4y ago

You can cease buying sugary foods and snacks like chips at the supermarket when you shop. You can explore swapping macros a bit so there's a bias in favor of eggs and fish and other protein. You can try to cut down eating between meals. The idea of Predestination with regards to eating needs to stop. If there is a psychological addiction then that's the part to be addressed, it's a valid concern. I see what people eat - even people that are not obese - and it's disgusting. I can see at work, at restaurants, even walking in the streets what people eat. That this is 'normal' is what we have to actually try to stigmatize. Donuts, muffins, giant appetizes at dinner, all that stuff should be almost never eaten. Birthday cakes? All that stuff will become disgusting and nauseating to you if you step away from it for just a few months, and your body adapts away from sugar and carbs. It might be hard in the beginning as your metabolism struggles to adjust and keep signaling for you to eat more. And for the record - not drinking alcohol is a lot harder than not eating for many people I know.

iLoveOncall 4y ago
None of this matters when it comes to pure weight. You can eat the most healthy diet in the world and still be massively obese. On the other hand I have successfully lost 100 lbs in 6 months in the past, while eating fast food daily. I won't discuss the "healthiness" aspect of it, but losing weight is ONLY a matter of calories.
- oska 4y ago
  > You can eat the most healthy diet in the world and still be massively obese. Strongly doubt this assertion
- mancerayder 4y ago
  Then you're lucky. I a) intermittent fast, so never eat breakfast b) never eat dessert c) don't snack d) lift weights 3x a week and do other sports once a week e) don't eat fast food, and often skip appetizers, and stick to protein and veggies. If I don't do these things I get fat fast. So my sympathy for 'unlucky' is minimal; I'm sure only a small percentage of people suffer from such a poor metabolism that anything they eat causes the to gain weight. The rest choose not to put the effort in.