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Did they control for anti-fat bias? Unlikely. Especially in the medical system, fat people don't get their body issues taken seriously. The stress of being trea

Did they control for anti-fat bias? Unlikely. Especially in the medical system, fat people don't get their body issues taken seriously. The stress of being treated poorly by everyone in your life undoubtedly has a huge impact on your lifespan. Did they control for efforts to change you body? Most fat people are trying to be thinner. Plenty of ways that people are told to change their body involve extreme stress to your body (caloric restriction, extreme diets, stimulant pills). Did you know that being underweight is ALSO associated with health problems, sometimes as extreme as the ones associated with being very fat. Anybody reading this and wanting a more nuanced understanding of this stuff should listen to the first few episodes of the podcast Maintenance Phase https://www.maintenancephase.com/ https://www.maintenancephase.com/ edit: I'm getting downvoted for pointing out two well documented factors that the linked article doesn't seem to account for - I thought we believed in facts and rationality here?

AlwaysRock 4y ago
Whataboutism 101
- kennywinker 4y ago
  The only thing bordering on whataboutism is my comment about being underweight. Talking about obesity bring up a lot of extreme emotions in people, and people love to say "it's just about it being unhealthy" but then don't have those extreme emotions when thinking about underweight people. So it's not whataboutism, it's relevant context. My two other points, anti-fat bias, and the harm of trying to change your body, are things that could explain the health impact of being fat while not actually being a direct result of the fat. So, not whataboutism at all - they are well documented factors that the linked article doesn't seem to account for or consider.
  - AlwaysRock 4y ago
    When someone is talking about one issue and you bring up another issue... That is whataboutism. Being overweight is unhealthy. Being underweight is unhealthy. This article is about being overweight. Bringing up something else entirely and ignoring what the article is about is whataboutism.
hombre_fatal 4y ago
That podcast is good for a cringe chuckle as they openly wonder if being fat is even bad for you ("what's the evidence for that???" -- well, did the hosts even look?). That show is pure cope for fat people. My girlfriend and I listen to it for fun.
- kennywinker 4y ago
  This NEW research found a tenuous link that debunked the previous studies that found the healthy obesity DOES exist. So if we're talking about episodes made before this new research came out, this article directly refutes your "did the hosts even look?". Ok so now this research is out - there is a link between obesity and poor health, but how strong is that link? As someone else pointed out in another thread, look at the error bars... ALL of that difference could easily be explained by the the well-documented factor of anti-fat bias in healthcare. But the more important thing here is: if being fat is unhealthy - why would we compound that with stigma, shame, and anti-fat bias? Can you prove those things make people skinny? Because I can prove that those things make people MORE UNHEALTHY. Why would we do something that makes unhealthy people more unhealthy?

AlwaysRock 4y ago

Whataboutism 101

kennywinker 4y ago
The only thing bordering on whataboutism is my comment about being underweight. Talking about obesity bring up a lot of extreme emotions in people, and people love to say "it's just about it being unhealthy" but then don't have those extreme emotions when thinking about underweight people. So it's not whataboutism, it's relevant context. My two other points, anti-fat bias, and the harm of trying to change your body, are things that could explain the health impact of being fat while not actually being a direct result of the fat. So, not whataboutism at all - they are well documented factors that the linked article doesn't seem to account for or consider.
- AlwaysRock 4y ago
  When someone is talking about one issue and you bring up another issue... That is whataboutism. Being overweight is unhealthy. Being underweight is unhealthy. This article is about being overweight. Bringing up something else entirely and ignoring what the article is about is whataboutism.

hombre_fatal 4y ago

That podcast is good for a cringe chuckle as they openly wonder if being fat is even bad for you ("what's the evidence for that???" -- well, did the hosts even look?). That show is pure cope for fat people. My girlfriend and I listen to it for fun.

kennywinker 4y ago
This NEW research found a tenuous link that debunked the previous studies that found the healthy obesity DOES exist. So if we're talking about episodes made before this new research came out, this article directly refutes your "did the hosts even look?". Ok so now this research is out - there is a link between obesity and poor health, but how strong is that link? As someone else pointed out in another thread, look at the error bars... ALL of that difference could easily be explained by the the well-documented factor of anti-fat bias in healthcare. But the more important thing here is: if being fat is unhealthy - why would we compound that with stigma, shame, and anti-fat bias? Can you prove those things make people skinny? Because I can prove that those things make people MORE UNHEALTHY. Why would we do something that makes unhealthy people more unhealthy?