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I don’t know if we’re capable of pushing against the tipping point, but if feels like it will be arduous to return to a point where being obese is frowned upon

by mc32 4y ago

I don’t know if we’re capable of pushing against the tipping point, but if feels like it will be arduous to return to a point where being obese is frowned upon and not hidden under figleaves. We have an entire body positivity movement that makes people feel good about obesity. Culturally we’ve come to celebrate it. How do we expect people to keep fit under this culture? The main interests that benefit are junkfood on one facet and pharmaceuticals manufacturers on the other. It’s becoming the modern alcohol but an addiction we could have avoided instead of celebrating. As to alcohol while I don’t favor prohibition, I’d like ti return to an environment where no advertising/ promotion of said products is allowed.

kennywinker 4y ago
In what world are you living? Being obese is and always has been frowned upon. There is a small faction of people who believe that nobody should be treated poorly for having a body that doesn't fit an ideal. You specifically say that body positivity "makes people feel good about obesity". Which, said another way, seems like you think "people should feel bad if they are fat". Why would you wish for someone to feel bad? Assuming you believe that fatness is failing caused by something wrong with a person, do you also believe that depressed people should feel bad because there is something wrong with them? Do you believe people with PTSD should feel bad because there is something wrong with them?
- mc32 4y ago
  Are you saying someone who is an alcoholic should feel happy about being an alcoholic and just live it up because, why would I as an alcoholic try and not be an alcoholic if society is telling me I have no agency over it.
  - kennywinker 4y ago
    Nobody is born an alcoholic. Shockingly, plenty of people are born with bodies that retain fat, even fed the exact same diet as a skinny person. And I sure hope you're carving out an exception for the many many people in the world who are fat because it's a side effect of a medication they are forced to take for an unrelated health condition. Or should they feel bad about their bodies too?
    - bloaf 4y ago
      Alcoholism is in fact hereditary.
      - kennywinker 4y ago
        There are genetic risk factors for developing alcoholism. That's not the same as being hereditary. You're born at risk for alcoholism, not born an alcoholic. But either way - I don't actually think that alcoholics are bad people. I think that they have an addiction and would benefit from access to resources that help with that. If they want to drink til they die, I'm not going to shame them for that.

by mc32 4y ago

kennywinker 4y ago

In what world are you living? Being obese is and always has been frowned upon. There is a small faction of people who believe that nobody should be treated poorly for having a body that doesn't fit an ideal. You specifically say that body positivity "makes people feel good about obesity". Which, said another way, seems like you think "people should feel bad if they are fat". Why would you wish for someone to feel bad? Assuming you believe that fatness is failing caused by something wrong with a person, do you also believe that depressed people should feel bad because there is something wrong with them? Do you believe people with PTSD should feel bad because there is something wrong with them?

mc32 4y ago
Are you saying someone who is an alcoholic should feel happy about being an alcoholic and just live it up because, why would I as an alcoholic try and not be an alcoholic if society is telling me I have no agency over it.
- kennywinker 4y ago
  Nobody is born an alcoholic. Shockingly, plenty of people are born with bodies that retain fat, even fed the exact same diet as a skinny person. And I sure hope you're carving out an exception for the many many people in the world who are fat because it's a side effect of a medication they are forced to take for an unrelated health condition. Or should they feel bad about their bodies too?
  - bloaf 4y ago
    Alcoholism is in fact hereditary.
    - kennywinker 4y ago
      There are genetic risk factors for developing alcoholism. That's not the same as being hereditary. You're born at risk for alcoholism, not born an alcoholic. But either way - I don't actually think that alcoholics are bad people. I think that they have an addiction and would benefit from access to resources that help with that. If they want to drink til they die, I'm not going to shame them for that.