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> ETA > 'decision given within three days.' (so too long to book a last minute weekend trip) > may also need to take a “dynamic selfie,” > eventually require

> ETA > 'decision given within three days.' (so too long to book a last minute weekend trip) > may also need to take a “dynamic selfie,” > eventually require all travelers to submit fingerprint biometrics I live in France, and used to go to the UK on organised trips, schools trips, holiday camps, or with friends, for a weekend to two weeks, because it was so easy to go there ! We would go to London, to Wales, Baths, Scottland, and all over; i loved that place. You just needed any ID back then. No passport, no online application, ... And there were plenty of flights, trains, coaches and ferry services. But that's something we haven't done since Brexit. I'm the only one in the crew with a passport. Now the ETA adds even more complexity. If any of my friend eventually get a passport, I would have to convince them to get an ETA. Why is the UK making it so complicated for regional travellers ? Brexit was already a strong signal that they didn't want Polish or mainland Europeans anymore. And now there is some additional vetting you need to do in advance. In the meantime, you can also go to plenty of lovely places hassle free, and where you're sure to be allowed in : Germany (even Bayern), Italy, Spain, Poland, France, Croatia,... Why would anyone bother to go to the UK anymore ? Especially for weekend trips ? In uni, foreign students used to know all of Europe better than locals, because they wouldn't want to apply for a UK visa while they had the Schengen one. Now, it will be all of us.

recuter 4y ago
It is not a Brexit thing, the EU is going to make people do the same. If you ever do get a passport and attempt to travel anywhere you'll experience similar ennui. La vie, hein?
- hinata08 4y ago
  yes, I'm ok to do this for long-haul flights. I have my Electronic Travel Autorisation/Autorisation de voyage électronique from Canada/Canada. It's ok when you go for a full trip, not just a weekend field trip. You plan trips months before you travel, when you go on the other side of the map. But it's not comfortable for regional destinations. Europe itself made to easy with Schengen (which is not the EU btw. Countries like Switzerland or Norway never wanted to join the EU, but at least they make it easy to visit them. They're better off on their own, but don't feel threatened when EU peons visit them) A lot of other regional countries advertised how easy it was to go there. Especially Tunisia (where you could also go with just an ID), or Turkey. Because they wanted to be popular destinations. And it worked. I'm interested in stats for the UK.
  - recuter 4y ago
    > If approved, the ETA will be valid for multiple visits over two years. Can literally go spontaneously every weekend over one hundred times in a row.
dfawcus 4y ago
It isn't just the UK. The USA started with the ESTA thing, previously I'd just fill in the "visa-waiver" form on the flight. Then (I guess in response) the EU (while the UK was still a member) agreed to the ETIAS scheme. Is has simply been delayed in its introduction - it was supposed to be operating now. Hence affecting US and UK citizens traveling to the EU, and for the latter "regional travelers". So why should EU (or US) citizens traveling to the UK be exempt from a similar experience? It isn't related to Brexit, As such. It just seems to be the way the world in general has been heading over the last 15 or so years. (Brexit obviously has an impact both ways for EU/UK citizens, as within the EU club FoM applied. It doesn't any more - either way. So no-one is being singled out)

recuter 4y ago

It is not a Brexit thing, the EU is going to make people do the same. If you ever do get a passport and attempt to travel anywhere you'll experience similar ennui. La vie, hein?

hinata08 4y ago
yes, I'm ok to do this for long-haul flights. I have my Electronic Travel Autorisation/Autorisation de voyage électronique from Canada/Canada. It's ok when you go for a full trip, not just a weekend field trip. You plan trips months before you travel, when you go on the other side of the map. But it's not comfortable for regional destinations. Europe itself made to easy with Schengen (which is not the EU btw. Countries like Switzerland or Norway never wanted to join the EU, but at least they make it easy to visit them. They're better off on their own, but don't feel threatened when EU peons visit them) A lot of other regional countries advertised how easy it was to go there. Especially Tunisia (where you could also go with just an ID), or Turkey. Because they wanted to be popular destinations. And it worked. I'm interested in stats for the UK.
- recuter 4y ago
  > If approved, the ETA will be valid for multiple visits over two years. Can literally go spontaneously every weekend over one hundred times in a row.

dfawcus 4y ago

It isn't just the UK. The USA started with the ESTA thing, previously I'd just fill in the "visa-waiver" form on the flight. Then (I guess in response) the EU (while the UK was still a member) agreed to the ETIAS scheme. Is has simply been delayed in its introduction - it was supposed to be operating now. Hence affecting US and UK citizens traveling to the EU, and for the latter "regional travelers". So why should EU (or US) citizens traveling to the UK be exempt from a similar experience? It isn't related to Brexit, As such. It just seems to be the way the world in general has been heading over the last 15 or so years. (Brexit obviously has an impact both ways for EU/UK citizens, as within the EU club FoM applied. It doesn't any more - either way. So no-one is being singled out)