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> Anyone arriving at the U.K. border by air or rail without an ETA will be turned away, including if they arrive via Ireland but are not Irish or British citize

> Anyone arriving at the U.K. border by air or rail without an ETA will be turned away, including if they arrive via Ireland but are not Irish or British citizens. This is contrary to eg BBC reporting which says that Irish /residents/ departing from Ireland also won’t need an ETA Edit: which makes sense, because you often arrive as a domestic passenger when arriving from Ireland, with no passport checks (except for a couple of police occasionally, who pick out certain people for some questioning), so who would be checking the ETA?

mannykannot 4y ago
At least according to this report, arriving by road or boat does not seem to be subject to this requirement, which seems odd. AFAIK, there is a lot of traffic in both those modes between Ireland and the UK, and on ferries from multiple ports on mainland Europe.
- xg15 4y ago
  Maybe the UK government is just really strongly aligning itself with the climate movement and wants to discourage people from taking the plane...
dfawcus 4y ago
The CTA only applies to British and Irish citizens, others are not allowed to make use of it. So on flights, full ID checks have been in force for entry to the UK for any years - since around 1995 or so. One can still travel between Ireland and GB on ferries and avoid ID checks, but if one is not an Irish or British citizen, once can not make use the the CTA (which is not a "travel area", but reciprocal privileges for both citizenship's).
- switch007 4y ago
  You’re right that full ID checks happen (I think? Ryanair force a visa check for all non EU/EEA passengers, nothing to do with CTA. What happens on AerLingus/BA? I think they just check ID, not visas) But non-British/non-Irish do benefit from and indirect make use of the CTA though. They arrive as domestic passengers in to the UK from Ireland and therefore they do not enter the UK in the same manner as passing through border control. Also, if they were in a certain visa situation in the UK (eg spouse visa renewal) where leaving the UK would automatically revoke their UK visa application, AIUI, they can still travel to CTA without having their application revoked. What do you mean practically when you say they’re not meant to make use of it? They’re meant to fly Dublin-Paris-Manchester? At MAN they bus you to domestic and boom you’re in the UK. They have no choice. Edit: It’s clear there are provisions in place for the direct benefit of Irish and UK citizens, but due to practicalities etc that others get fringe benefits too.
  - dfawcus 4y ago
    "What do you mean practically when you say they’re not meant to make use of it? They’re meant to fly Dublin-Paris-Manchester?" No - Simply that they're supposed to fulfill the entry requirements for non British or Irish folks, or risk arrest, prosecution, and being deported. That happened to some folks from Peru (I believe), who traveled to GB via Ireland, NI, then ferry to Scotland. Simply the CTA is misnamed, it is not a "travel area", that is simply an effect arising out of the reciprocal rights of British and Irish citizens in the other state.

mannykannot 4y ago

At least according to this report, arriving by road or boat does not seem to be subject to this requirement, which seems odd. AFAIK, there is a lot of traffic in both those modes between Ireland and the UK, and on ferries from multiple ports on mainland Europe.

xg15 4y ago
Maybe the UK government is just really strongly aligning itself with the climate movement and wants to discourage people from taking the plane...

dfawcus 4y ago

The CTA only applies to British and Irish citizens, others are not allowed to make use of it. So on flights, full ID checks have been in force for entry to the UK for any years - since around 1995 or so. One can still travel between Ireland and GB on ferries and avoid ID checks, but if one is not an Irish or British citizen, once can not make use the the CTA (which is not a "travel area", but reciprocal privileges for both citizenship's).

switch007 4y ago
You’re right that full ID checks happen (I think? Ryanair force a visa check for all non EU/EEA passengers, nothing to do with CTA. What happens on AerLingus/BA? I think they just check ID, not visas) But non-British/non-Irish do benefit from and indirect make use of the CTA though. They arrive as domestic passengers in to the UK from Ireland and therefore they do not enter the UK in the same manner as passing through border control. Also, if they were in a certain visa situation in the UK (eg spouse visa renewal) where leaving the UK would automatically revoke their UK visa application, AIUI, they can still travel to CTA without having their application revoked. What do you mean practically when you say they’re not meant to make use of it? They’re meant to fly Dublin-Paris-Manchester? At MAN they bus you to domestic and boom you’re in the UK. They have no choice. Edit: It’s clear there are provisions in place for the direct benefit of Irish and UK citizens, but due to practicalities etc that others get fringe benefits too.
- dfawcus 4y ago
  "What do you mean practically when you say they’re not meant to make use of it? They’re meant to fly Dublin-Paris-Manchester?" No - Simply that they're supposed to fulfill the entry requirements for non British or Irish folks, or risk arrest, prosecution, and being deported. That happened to some folks from Peru (I believe), who traveled to GB via Ireland, NI, then ferry to Scotland. Simply the CTA is misnamed, it is not a "travel area", that is simply an effect arising out of the reciprocal rights of British and Irish citizens in the other state.