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bull. shit. if their assets actually could be liquidated for full cover over time than any other bank with plenty of reserves would be happy to buy them. that d

bull. shit. if their assets actually could be liquidated for full cover over time than any other bank with plenty of reserves would be happy to buy them. that didn't happen, so we know for sure their assets are not worth what they claim on any timeline.

jliptzin 4y ago
No one is going to touch a bank while people are literally lining up to withdraw all their money no matter what their asset book looks like
- metalspot 4y ago
  that is a lie. the amount of money involved here is not that much. it would be very easy for a larger bank to swallow if they believed in the long term value of the assets. the real thing is that SVB had an iconic brand, tons of business relationships, and very skilled and well connected employees, and yet none of that intangible value offset the hole in their balance sheet. that is the real indicator of just how bad it actually is.
  - jliptzin 4y ago
    Not in today’s environment. My Citi savings account pays 0.12% interest despite fed funds being at ~5%. Big banks don’t need more deposits, they can’t even make enough on their existing deposits. They especially don’t need to get involved in another bank during a bank run.
    - metalspot 4y ago
      that's the thing. SVB has a loan portfolio paying much higher interest rates. but if that loan portfolio is to a bunch of companies that are going to go bankrupt, then it isn't worth anywhere close to what it is on the books at. the game here is very simple: SVB loans money to cash burning startups and they keep that money in SVB accounts, so it looks like they have cash, and it looks like SVB has deposits, but all of that is created out of thin air by SVB giving loans to companies that couldn't get them from a real bank. If those companies actually take the money SVB loaned them out of their SVB account, then the scam collapses. that is what happened. everybody knows it.
      - jliptzin 4y ago
        Ok, maybe that's true, maybe it's not? We don't know yet. Is that worth the collapse of the regional banking system in this country even if that is true? I'd prefer to have choices with my money, not just Citibank, Chase, and Wells Fargo.
avianlyric 4y ago
The last time a bank bought another failing bank, they also ended up buying a whole load of extra problems that made the total deal very costly. No bank is going to want to buy SVB unless there’s a clear and substantial profit to be made (which their obviously isn’t), or there’s some guarantee that the purchasing bank doesn’t get held liable for any of SVBs historical misbehaviour. Right now, I suspect that every bank capable of purchasing SVB is taking a “wait and see” approach. There’s no risk to them if SVB and their depositors get fucked. And there is substantial upside to waiting and seeing if the FDIC is going to try and setup a sweetheart deal for another bank to takeover. So why would any bank move early?

jliptzin 4y ago

No one is going to touch a bank while people are literally lining up to withdraw all their money no matter what their asset book looks like

metalspot 4y ago
that is a lie. the amount of money involved here is not that much. it would be very easy for a larger bank to swallow if they believed in the long term value of the assets. the real thing is that SVB had an iconic brand, tons of business relationships, and very skilled and well connected employees, and yet none of that intangible value offset the hole in their balance sheet. that is the real indicator of just how bad it actually is.
- jliptzin 4y ago
  Not in today’s environment. My Citi savings account pays 0.12% interest despite fed funds being at ~5%. Big banks don’t need more deposits, they can’t even make enough on their existing deposits. They especially don’t need to get involved in another bank during a bank run.
  - metalspot 4y ago
    that's the thing. SVB has a loan portfolio paying much higher interest rates. but if that loan portfolio is to a bunch of companies that are going to go bankrupt, then it isn't worth anywhere close to what it is on the books at. the game here is very simple: SVB loans money to cash burning startups and they keep that money in SVB accounts, so it looks like they have cash, and it looks like SVB has deposits, but all of that is created out of thin air by SVB giving loans to companies that couldn't get them from a real bank. If those companies actually take the money SVB loaned them out of their SVB account, then the scam collapses. that is what happened. everybody knows it.
    - jliptzin 4y ago
      Ok, maybe that's true, maybe it's not? We don't know yet. Is that worth the collapse of the regional banking system in this country even if that is true? I'd prefer to have choices with my money, not just Citibank, Chase, and Wells Fargo.

avianlyric 4y ago

The last time a bank bought another failing bank, they also ended up buying a whole load of extra problems that made the total deal very costly. No bank is going to want to buy SVB unless there’s a clear and substantial profit to be made (which their obviously isn’t), or there’s some guarantee that the purchasing bank doesn’t get held liable for any of SVBs historical misbehaviour. Right now, I suspect that every bank capable of purchasing SVB is taking a “wait and see” approach. There’s no risk to them if SVB and their depositors get fucked. And there is substantial upside to waiting and seeing if the FDIC is going to try and setup a sweetheart deal for another bank to takeover. So why would any bank move early?