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All travelers to the UK will need pre-authorization by 2025

43 points by als0 4y ago

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switch007 4y ago
> Anyone arriving at the U.K. border by air or rail without an ETA will be turned away, including if they arrive via Ireland but are not Irish or British citizens. This is contrary to eg BBC reporting which says that Irish /residents/ departing from Ireland also won’t need an ETA Edit: which makes sense, because you often arrive as a domestic passenger when arriving from Ireland, with no passport checks (except for a couple of police occasionally, who pick out certain people for some questioning), so who would be checking the ETA?
- mannykannot 4y ago
  At least according to this report, arriving by road or boat does not seem to be subject to this requirement, which seems odd. AFAIK, there is a lot of traffic in both those modes between Ireland and the UK, and on ferries from multiple ports on mainland Europe.
  - xg15 4y ago
    Maybe the UK government is just really strongly aligning itself with the climate movement and wants to discourage people from taking the plane...
- dfawcus 4y ago
  The CTA only applies to British and Irish citizens, others are not allowed to make use of it. So on flights, full ID checks have been in force for entry to the UK for any years - since around 1995 or so. One can still travel between Ireland and GB on ferries and avoid ID checks, but if one is not an Irish or British citizen, once can not make use the the CTA (which is not a "travel area", but reciprocal privileges for both citizenship's).
  - switch007 4y ago
    You’re right that full ID checks happen (I think? Ryanair force a visa check for all non EU/EEA passengers, nothing to do with CTA. What happens on AerLingus/BA? I think they just check ID, not visas) But non-British/non-Irish do benefit from and indirect make use of the CTA though. They arrive as domestic passengers in to the UK from Ireland and therefore they do not enter the UK in the same manner as passing through border control. Also, if they were in a certain visa situation in the UK (eg spouse visa renewal) where leaving the UK would automatically revoke their UK visa application, AIUI, they can still travel to CTA without having their application revoked. What do you mean practically when you say they’re not meant to make use of it? They’re meant to fly Dublin-Paris-Manchester? At MAN they bus you to domestic and boom you’re in the UK. They have no choice. Edit: It’s clear there are provisions in place for the direct benefit of Irish and UK citizens, but due to practicalities etc that others get fringe benefits too.
    - dfawcus 4y ago
      "What do you mean practically when you say they’re not meant to make use of it? They’re meant to fly Dublin-Paris-Manchester?" No - Simply that they're supposed to fulfill the entry requirements for non British or Irish folks, or risk arrest, prosecution, and being deported. That happened to some folks from Peru (I believe), who traveled to GB via Ireland, NI, then ferry to Scotland. Simply the CTA is misnamed, it is not a "travel area", that is simply an effect arising out of the reciprocal rights of British and Irish citizens in the other state.
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>It is understood the U.K. has ambitions to eventually require all travelers to submit fingerprint biometrics ahead of travel and is working on a scheme that would see this submitted by smartphone. Wait, can they even do that? Can the government make an app that can beam the fingerprints read from the fingerprint sensor phone back to them? AFAIK the biometric data is stored in the phone's secure enclave and can never leave it (barring any exploits).
- toxicFork 4y ago
  Technically very easy. Legally? I dunno, maybe?
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    Easy how? AFAIK there's no API to read the biometric data from the secure enclave. The secure enclave will only validate if what the fingerprint sensor reads matches what it has stored internally for authentication.
    - akmarinov 4y ago
      Additionally they don’t store the actual fingerprint pattern, they do a hash off of the subepidermal layers of your skin. You can’t compare that to inked fingerprints.
    - toxicFork 4y ago
      The device can do it, but someone needs to be told to change some of the software or hardware.
  - dogma1138 4y ago
    Legally very easy, technically not so much. The EU requires you to attend a meeting to submit biometric data when you initially register.
    - toxicFork 4y ago
recuter 4y ago
The cost of the ETA has not been confirmed but it is expected to be in a similar range to those schemes. The U.S. Electronic System for Travel Authorization costs $21. The European Union is set to launch its own digital travel authorization scheme, called ETIAS, for visa-exempt nationals in 2024. It will enable travel within 30 countries. This isn't a UK thing, I expect most developed countries to adopt such things in the coming decade. The EU one is supposed to be like $7 and be valid for a bunch of years at a time, but these fees are going to add up if you travel all over.
- ksec 4y ago
  >Anyone arriving at the U.K. border by air or rail without an ETA will be turned away, including if they arrive via Ireland but are not Irish or British citizens. So anything who didn't apply an ETA will now be blocked? I thought they should at least offer an option for something like £100 to get it done at the border. But that is a lot of inconvenience for travellers.
  - recuter 4y ago
    The point of it is to know way ahead of time who is coming to their shores, even at the cost of inconvenience. Quick online esta-style form, not too bad, you just have to remember to do it.
    - Someone1234 4y ago
      For some people it will be a "quick online form." For others, they've gone from VISA free travel to potentially a trip/interview at the embassy. Just ask anyone with a similar name to a "bad person" what their experience has been like.
      - recuter 4y ago
        So?
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metadat 4y ago
Is this a thinly veiled cash grab? Otherwise, what actual problem does this solve?
- drstewart 4y ago
  No: it's not thinly veiled.
- mellosouls 4y ago
  From the article: The government says the ETA scheme will strengthen border security...[clip]...under current rules it does not have wholly accurate data on the number of people entering and leaving the country.
  - mistrial9 4y ago
    the CTO of Starbucks stood on stage (pre-covid) in a small setting and told everyone "actually, we do not know how many people work at Starbucks right now" .. dramatic pause.. the explanation is that pending resignation, pending dismissal, no-show, hiring pipeline, even whole stores opening and closing.. means that the EXACT number is not known, but there is state.. and bounds to that state. It was a dramatic way to talk about the inherent difficulty of precise numbers in a very large and active enterprise. So, relate that to the state of border control of an entire nation, and you get the idea..
  - Broken_Hippo 4y ago
    Which seems... Ridiculous. It provides "border security" in the way TSA provides airport security: By showing theater to make certain folks feel better. As far as the number of people: Flights have record of who is on them, and generally require a passport for international travel (even though there are open borders between EU countries). I've not taken a train internationally, but I'd imagine something similar exists there - or can exist, anyway. It doesn't really cover folks driving (Which would make their numbers different), but I suppose there are less routes into the UK by car.
  - madeofpalk 4y ago
    I'm confused how they don't have the accurate numbers. To enter the UK you need to go through Border Patrol, either via a automated gate (where they can count you) or via a person at a booth (where they can count you). If you can't get accurate numbers from that, how would an online form change that?
samwestdev 4y ago
Police state
EnglishmanITGuy 4y ago
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rchowe 4y ago
Since so many people travel to foreign countries by air, these electronic travel authorization programs are about stopping people before they board a plane (or train, since the UK has the channel tunnel). There was a brief golden age when you could show a passport from a western country at the border of many other countries and they would let you in. No planning ahead required. I think we will see reciprocal waivers return at some point, once countries realize their citizens are affected by these policies as well.
xg15 4y ago
> Anyone arriving at the U.K. border by air or rail without an ETA will be turned away, including if they arrive via Ireland but are not Irish or British citizens. How exactly is this going to work with an open border between Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland? For that matter, wouldn't requiring an ETA for Republic of Ireland citizens to travel to Northern Ireland be a violation of the Good Friday Agreement, even independent of what happens at the border?
- arp242 4y ago
  The part you quoted explicitly says "but are not Irish or British citizens".
  - xg15 4y ago
    Argh. Note to self, read articles more carefully. Thanks for the heads up :) That being said, politicians seem to shy away from putting anything resembling a checkpoint on that border in fear of reigniting the conflict. But that would be necessary, if only to check residency status and validate the ETA for non-Irish EU citizens. Once there is a checkpoint, political pressure will rise to also use it for EU goods checks and renegotiate the Windsor agreement. That, or NI will be excluded from the ETA requirement and the check will be moved to the irish sea border - which would make the DUP mad again. This stuff was a gordian knot to solve for goods alone, they'll have fun doing it all again for people.
    - dfawcus 4y ago
      Domestic flights within the UK (e.g. London / Edinburgh) require positive ID checks, since around 1995 or so. So nothing changes regarding flights from NI to GB. There are usually few checks on the ferries, but one is advised to carry proof of citizenship, as one can be asked to prove that one is entitled to use the CTA. Separately, it was recently announced that third country nationals traveling from Ireland to NI would not require prior authorisations. i.e. the UK will not police travel across the intra-Ireland brder.
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leftbit 4y ago
A pity, I'd have liked to visit Scotland again. Perhaps it's just me, but when a country decides to treat me like a criminal suspect instead of a welcomed visitor I just don't want to go there anymore.
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- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  Then you probably won’t be traveling internationally much after about 10 years from now. This is coming everywhere.
  - hinata08 4y ago
    yes, but some countries have a pretty streamlined process. Canada, for exemple. They asks you for your name, passport number, credit card number, if you have anything specific to mention. Then you instantly received an email with your ETA On the other hand, countries like the USA make it weird. They infamously ask you if you were involved in the 3rd Reich, and they want your social media accounts. The latter is probably to know if you're an American&Trump loving tourist, or if you keep saying that Canada is better. Idk what else they can get out of this. oh, and they ask you if you have a mental health disorder; They probably don't want autistic tourists either.
    - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
      > Idk what else they can get out of this Mining for extremist attitudes or behaviors
      - hinata08 4y ago
        it just makes me want to open a twitter account to post all the dad jokes and questionable p0rn I can, or anime reviews and fan theories, just to proudly provide the link on the ESTA form. (aka just a concentrate of Twitter) have fun, dear government agents. You were the ones who wanted it. I hope trollish attitude or behaviour isn't disqualifying, but I couldn't care less if I'm allowed in the USA or not.
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lom 4y ago
All the outrage here is pretty weird considering the USA, Canada and the EU all have policies like this already
- kmos17 4y ago
  That’s not true. The EU and Canada do not have a similar policy for US passport holders, you can travel without having to file anything in advance.
  - dfawcus 4y ago
    See https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/who-should-apply_en#main-content https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/who-should-apply_en#ma... Note "Nationals of any of these visa-exempt countries need to apply for an ETIAS travel authorisation." You will notice the flag of the USA, and if you follow the link, see it listed in ANNEX II (1.B) https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:02018R1806-20210101&from=EN#tocId22 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... I've not looked at the recent rules for entry to Canada. The point is that to date, the EU has had issues in bringing the ETIAS scheme in to operation. It was supposed to be operating now, but looks like it is delayed until 2024. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETIAS?useskin=monobook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETIAS?useskin=monobook
    - kmos17 4y ago
      Thanks I wasn’t aware this was coming for EU travel, maybe understandable but that’s a shame, the influence of the US security obsession spreading to other countries.
hinata08 4y ago
> ETA > 'decision given within three days.' (so too long to book a last minute weekend trip) > may also need to take a “dynamic selfie,” > eventually require all travelers to submit fingerprint biometrics I live in France, and used to go to the UK on organised trips, schools trips, holiday camps, or with friends, for a weekend to two weeks, because it was so easy to go there ! We would go to London, to Wales, Baths, Scottland, and all over; i loved that place. You just needed any ID back then. No passport, no online application, ... And there were plenty of flights, trains, coaches and ferry services. But that's something we haven't done since Brexit. I'm the only one in the crew with a passport. Now the ETA adds even more complexity. If any of my friend eventually get a passport, I would have to convince them to get an ETA. Why is the UK making it so complicated for regional travellers ? Brexit was already a strong signal that they didn't want Polish or mainland Europeans anymore. And now there is some additional vetting you need to do in advance. In the meantime, you can also go to plenty of lovely places hassle free, and where you're sure to be allowed in : Germany (even Bayern), Italy, Spain, Poland, France, Croatia,... Why would anyone bother to go to the UK anymore ? Especially for weekend trips ? In uni, foreign students used to know all of Europe better than locals, because they wouldn't want to apply for a UK visa while they had the Schengen one. Now, it will be all of us.
- recuter 4y ago
  It is not a Brexit thing, the EU is going to make people do the same. If you ever do get a passport and attempt to travel anywhere you'll experience similar ennui. La vie, hein?
  - hinata08 4y ago
    yes, I'm ok to do this for long-haul flights. I have my Electronic Travel Autorisation/Autorisation de voyage électronique from Canada/Canada. It's ok when you go for a full trip, not just a weekend field trip. You plan trips months before you travel, when you go on the other side of the map. But it's not comfortable for regional destinations. Europe itself made to easy with Schengen (which is not the EU btw. Countries like Switzerland or Norway never wanted to join the EU, but at least they make it easy to visit them. They're better off on their own, but don't feel threatened when EU peons visit them) A lot of other regional countries advertised how easy it was to go there. Especially Tunisia (where you could also go with just an ID), or Turkey. Because they wanted to be popular destinations. And it worked. I'm interested in stats for the UK.
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Nextgrid 4y ago
I'm not sure why they are so worried about illegal immigration when their plan to turn the country into a third-world dump not worth even legally immigrating to is working so well. A significant chunk of the population is in "fuel poverty", critical infrastructure such as their beloved NHS has collapsed and there are shortages of certain produce blamed on weather conditions yet no other nearby country is experiencing it.
- hinata08 4y ago
  >yet no other nearby country is experiencing it. that's usually what they say to expedite the process of turning the country into a "third-world dump" Have you learned about the notion of Race to the bottom ? If UK people would learn foreign languages instead of the newspeak that is modern English, they would be able to read foreign news.
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    I am French so I know pretty well what's happening at least in one major European country. It's got its issues for sure (including very recent strikes) and it's definitely been hit by inflation and the energy crisis, but is nowhere near as bad as what's happening in the UK. Critical infrastructure isn't (yet?) collapsing there.
chkaloon 4y ago
'The U.K. has previously said that under current rules it does not have wholly accurate data on the number of people entering and leaving the country." What? They can't track who comes and goes just by recording at the border now? We have computers and databases, right?
- midoridensha 4y ago
  Unless they have cameras at all the border roads between Northern Ireland and Ireland, there's no way to really know how many people are coming and going there. Of course, if they're not sure exactly how many people are coming into the island of Great Britain, then that's plain incompetence.
  - chkaloon 4y ago
    The ETA doesn't fix the walking across the border problem.
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sys_64738 4y ago
How do I prove I am a British citizen if I don't have a Brit passport?
CaptainZapp 4y ago
Just hope that the Homeoffice doesn't screw the scheme up like they botched passport renewals last year[0]. Given their current leadership, however, that's almost guaranteed to happen. 3 Days turnaround time is a joke in itself. When I electronically applied for an Australian visa I had it 40 minutes later. And that was a "real visa". Not just a travel permit. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/09/uk-passport-delays-queue-uk-holiday https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/09/uk-passport-...

43 points by als0 4y ago

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> Anyone arriving at the U.K. border by air or rail without an ETA will be turned away, including if they arrive via Ireland but are not Irish or British citizens. This is contrary to eg BBC reporting which says that Irish /residents/ departing from Ireland also won’t need an ETA Edit: which makes sense, because you often arrive as a domestic passenger when arriving from Ireland, with no passport checks (except for a couple of police occasionally, who pick out certain people for some questioning), so who would be checking the ETA?

mannykannot 4y ago
At least according to this report, arriving by road or boat does not seem to be subject to this requirement, which seems odd. AFAIK, there is a lot of traffic in both those modes between Ireland and the UK, and on ferries from multiple ports on mainland Europe.
- xg15 4y ago
  Maybe the UK government is just really strongly aligning itself with the climate movement and wants to discourage people from taking the plane...
dfawcus 4y ago
The CTA only applies to British and Irish citizens, others are not allowed to make use of it. So on flights, full ID checks have been in force for entry to the UK for any years - since around 1995 or so. One can still travel between Ireland and GB on ferries and avoid ID checks, but if one is not an Irish or British citizen, once can not make use the the CTA (which is not a "travel area", but reciprocal privileges for both citizenship's).
- switch007 4y ago
  You’re right that full ID checks happen (I think? Ryanair force a visa check for all non EU/EEA passengers, nothing to do with CTA. What happens on AerLingus/BA? I think they just check ID, not visas) But non-British/non-Irish do benefit from and indirect make use of the CTA though. They arrive as domestic passengers in to the UK from Ireland and therefore they do not enter the UK in the same manner as passing through border control. Also, if they were in a certain visa situation in the UK (eg spouse visa renewal) where leaving the UK would automatically revoke their UK visa application, AIUI, they can still travel to CTA without having their application revoked. What do you mean practically when you say they’re not meant to make use of it? They’re meant to fly Dublin-Paris-Manchester? At MAN they bus you to domestic and boom you’re in the UK. They have no choice. Edit: It’s clear there are provisions in place for the direct benefit of Irish and UK citizens, but due to practicalities etc that others get fringe benefits too.
  - dfawcus 4y ago
    "What do you mean practically when you say they’re not meant to make use of it? They’re meant to fly Dublin-Paris-Manchester?" No - Simply that they're supposed to fulfill the entry requirements for non British or Irish folks, or risk arrest, prosecution, and being deported. That happened to some folks from Peru (I believe), who traveled to GB via Ireland, NI, then ferry to Scotland. Simply the CTA is misnamed, it is not a "travel area", that is simply an effect arising out of the reciprocal rights of British and Irish citizens in the other state.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>It is understood the U.K. has ambitions to eventually require all travelers to submit fingerprint biometrics ahead of travel and is working on a scheme that would see this submitted by smartphone. Wait, can they even do that? Can the government make an app that can beam the fingerprints read from the fingerprint sensor phone back to them? AFAIK the biometric data is stored in the phone's secure enclave and can never leave it (barring any exploits).

toxicFork 4y ago
Technically very easy. Legally? I dunno, maybe?
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Easy how? AFAIK there's no API to read the biometric data from the secure enclave. The secure enclave will only validate if what the fingerprint sensor reads matches what it has stored internally for authentication.
  - akmarinov 4y ago
    Additionally they don’t store the actual fingerprint pattern, they do a hash off of the subepidermal layers of your skin. You can’t compare that to inked fingerprints.
  - toxicFork 4y ago
    The device can do it, but someone needs to be told to change some of the software or hardware.
- dogma1138 4y ago
  Legally very easy, technically not so much. The EU requires you to attend a meeting to submit biometric data when you initially register.
  - toxicFork 4y ago

recuter 4y ago

The cost of the ETA has not been confirmed but it is expected to be in a similar range to those schemes. The U.S. Electronic System for Travel Authorization costs $21. The European Union is set to launch its own digital travel authorization scheme, called ETIAS, for visa-exempt nationals in 2024. It will enable travel within 30 countries. This isn't a UK thing, I expect most developed countries to adopt such things in the coming decade. The EU one is supposed to be like $7 and be valid for a bunch of years at a time, but these fees are going to add up if you travel all over.

ksec 4y ago
>Anyone arriving at the U.K. border by air or rail without an ETA will be turned away, including if they arrive via Ireland but are not Irish or British citizens. So anything who didn't apply an ETA will now be blocked? I thought they should at least offer an option for something like £100 to get it done at the border. But that is a lot of inconvenience for travellers.
- recuter 4y ago
  The point of it is to know way ahead of time who is coming to their shores, even at the cost of inconvenience. Quick online esta-style form, not too bad, you just have to remember to do it.
  - Someone1234 4y ago
    For some people it will be a "quick online form." For others, they've gone from VISA free travel to potentially a trip/interview at the embassy. Just ask anyone with a similar name to a "bad person" what their experience has been like.
    - recuter 4y ago
      So?
      - 4y ago

metadat 4y ago

Is this a thinly veiled cash grab? Otherwise, what actual problem does this solve?

drstewart 4y ago
No: it's not thinly veiled.
mellosouls 4y ago
From the article: The government says the ETA scheme will strengthen border security...[clip]...under current rules it does not have wholly accurate data on the number of people entering and leaving the country.
- mistrial9 4y ago
  the CTO of Starbucks stood on stage (pre-covid) in a small setting and told everyone "actually, we do not know how many people work at Starbucks right now" .. dramatic pause.. the explanation is that pending resignation, pending dismissal, no-show, hiring pipeline, even whole stores opening and closing.. means that the EXACT number is not known, but there is state.. and bounds to that state. It was a dramatic way to talk about the inherent difficulty of precise numbers in a very large and active enterprise. So, relate that to the state of border control of an entire nation, and you get the idea..
- Broken_Hippo 4y ago
  Which seems... Ridiculous. It provides "border security" in the way TSA provides airport security: By showing theater to make certain folks feel better. As far as the number of people: Flights have record of who is on them, and generally require a passport for international travel (even though there are open borders between EU countries). I've not taken a train internationally, but I'd imagine something similar exists there - or can exist, anyway. It doesn't really cover folks driving (Which would make their numbers different), but I suppose there are less routes into the UK by car.
- madeofpalk 4y ago
  I'm confused how they don't have the accurate numbers. To enter the UK you need to go through Border Patrol, either via a automated gate (where they can count you) or via a person at a booth (where they can count you). If you can't get accurate numbers from that, how would an online form change that?

samwestdev 4y ago

Police state

EnglishmanITGuy 4y ago

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rchowe 4y ago

Since so many people travel to foreign countries by air, these electronic travel authorization programs are about stopping people before they board a plane (or train, since the UK has the channel tunnel). There was a brief golden age when you could show a passport from a western country at the border of many other countries and they would let you in. No planning ahead required. I think we will see reciprocal waivers return at some point, once countries realize their citizens are affected by these policies as well.

xg15 4y ago

> Anyone arriving at the U.K. border by air or rail without an ETA will be turned away, including if they arrive via Ireland but are not Irish or British citizens. How exactly is this going to work with an open border between Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland? For that matter, wouldn't requiring an ETA for Republic of Ireland citizens to travel to Northern Ireland be a violation of the Good Friday Agreement, even independent of what happens at the border?

arp242 4y ago
The part you quoted explicitly says "but are not Irish or British citizens".
- xg15 4y ago
  Argh. Note to self, read articles more carefully. Thanks for the heads up :) That being said, politicians seem to shy away from putting anything resembling a checkpoint on that border in fear of reigniting the conflict. But that would be necessary, if only to check residency status and validate the ETA for non-Irish EU citizens. Once there is a checkpoint, political pressure will rise to also use it for EU goods checks and renegotiate the Windsor agreement. That, or NI will be excluded from the ETA requirement and the check will be moved to the irish sea border - which would make the DUP mad again. This stuff was a gordian knot to solve for goods alone, they'll have fun doing it all again for people.
  - dfawcus 4y ago
    Domestic flights within the UK (e.g. London / Edinburgh) require positive ID checks, since around 1995 or so. So nothing changes regarding flights from NI to GB. There are usually few checks on the ferries, but one is advised to carry proof of citizenship, as one can be asked to prove that one is entitled to use the CTA. Separately, it was recently announced that third country nationals traveling from Ireland to NI would not require prior authorisations. i.e. the UK will not police travel across the intra-Ireland brder.
    - 4y ago

leftbit 4y ago

A pity, I'd have liked to visit Scotland again. Perhaps it's just me, but when a country decides to treat me like a criminal suspect instead of a welcomed visitor I just don't want to go there anymore.

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TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
Then you probably won’t be traveling internationally much after about 10 years from now. This is coming everywhere.
- hinata08 4y ago
  yes, but some countries have a pretty streamlined process. Canada, for exemple. They asks you for your name, passport number, credit card number, if you have anything specific to mention. Then you instantly received an email with your ETA On the other hand, countries like the USA make it weird. They infamously ask you if you were involved in the 3rd Reich, and they want your social media accounts. The latter is probably to know if you're an American&Trump loving tourist, or if you keep saying that Canada is better. Idk what else they can get out of this. oh, and they ask you if you have a mental health disorder; They probably don't want autistic tourists either.
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    > Idk what else they can get out of this Mining for extremist attitudes or behaviors
    - hinata08 4y ago
      it just makes me want to open a twitter account to post all the dad jokes and questionable p0rn I can, or anime reviews and fan theories, just to proudly provide the link on the ESTA form. (aka just a concentrate of Twitter) have fun, dear government agents. You were the ones who wanted it. I hope trollish attitude or behaviour isn't disqualifying, but I couldn't care less if I'm allowed in the USA or not.

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lom 4y ago

All the outrage here is pretty weird considering the USA, Canada and the EU all have policies like this already

kmos17 4y ago
That’s not true. The EU and Canada do not have a similar policy for US passport holders, you can travel without having to file anything in advance.
- dfawcus 4y ago
  See https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/who-should-apply_en#main-content https://travel-europe.europa.eu/etias/who-should-apply_en#ma... Note "Nationals of any of these visa-exempt countries need to apply for an ETIAS travel authorisation." You will notice the flag of the USA, and if you follow the link, see it listed in ANNEX II (1.B) https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:02018R1806-20210101&from=EN#tocId22 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... I've not looked at the recent rules for entry to Canada. The point is that to date, the EU has had issues in bringing the ETIAS scheme in to operation. It was supposed to be operating now, but looks like it is delayed until 2024. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETIAS?useskin=monobook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETIAS?useskin=monobook
  - kmos17 4y ago
    Thanks I wasn’t aware this was coming for EU travel, maybe understandable but that’s a shame, the influence of the US security obsession spreading to other countries.

hinata08 4y ago

> ETA > 'decision given within three days.' (so too long to book a last minute weekend trip) > may also need to take a “dynamic selfie,” > eventually require all travelers to submit fingerprint biometrics I live in France, and used to go to the UK on organised trips, schools trips, holiday camps, or with friends, for a weekend to two weeks, because it was so easy to go there ! We would go to London, to Wales, Baths, Scottland, and all over; i loved that place. You just needed any ID back then. No passport, no online application, ... And there were plenty of flights, trains, coaches and ferry services. But that's something we haven't done since Brexit. I'm the only one in the crew with a passport. Now the ETA adds even more complexity. If any of my friend eventually get a passport, I would have to convince them to get an ETA. Why is the UK making it so complicated for regional travellers ? Brexit was already a strong signal that they didn't want Polish or mainland Europeans anymore. And now there is some additional vetting you need to do in advance. In the meantime, you can also go to plenty of lovely places hassle free, and where you're sure to be allowed in : Germany (even Bayern), Italy, Spain, Poland, France, Croatia,... Why would anyone bother to go to the UK anymore ? Especially for weekend trips ? In uni, foreign students used to know all of Europe better than locals, because they wouldn't want to apply for a UK visa while they had the Schengen one. Now, it will be all of us.

recuter 4y ago
It is not a Brexit thing, the EU is going to make people do the same. If you ever do get a passport and attempt to travel anywhere you'll experience similar ennui. La vie, hein?
- hinata08 4y ago
  yes, I'm ok to do this for long-haul flights. I have my Electronic Travel Autorisation/Autorisation de voyage électronique from Canada/Canada. It's ok when you go for a full trip, not just a weekend field trip. You plan trips months before you travel, when you go on the other side of the map. But it's not comfortable for regional destinations. Europe itself made to easy with Schengen (which is not the EU btw. Countries like Switzerland or Norway never wanted to join the EU, but at least they make it easy to visit them. They're better off on their own, but don't feel threatened when EU peons visit them) A lot of other regional countries advertised how easy it was to go there. Especially Tunisia (where you could also go with just an ID), or Turkey. Because they wanted to be popular destinations. And it worked. I'm interested in stats for the UK.

realworldperson 4y ago

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Nextgrid 4y ago

I'm not sure why they are so worried about illegal immigration when their plan to turn the country into a third-world dump not worth even legally immigrating to is working so well. A significant chunk of the population is in "fuel poverty", critical infrastructure such as their beloved NHS has collapsed and there are shortages of certain produce blamed on weather conditions yet no other nearby country is experiencing it.

hinata08 4y ago
>yet no other nearby country is experiencing it. that's usually what they say to expedite the process of turning the country into a "third-world dump" Have you learned about the notion of Race to the bottom ? If UK people would learn foreign languages instead of the newspeak that is modern English, they would be able to read foreign news.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  I am French so I know pretty well what's happening at least in one major European country. It's got its issues for sure (including very recent strikes) and it's definitely been hit by inflation and the energy crisis, but is nowhere near as bad as what's happening in the UK. Critical infrastructure isn't (yet?) collapsing there.

chkaloon 4y ago

'The U.K. has previously said that under current rules it does not have wholly accurate data on the number of people entering and leaving the country." What? They can't track who comes and goes just by recording at the border now? We have computers and databases, right?

midoridensha 4y ago
Unless they have cameras at all the border roads between Northern Ireland and Ireland, there's no way to really know how many people are coming and going there. Of course, if they're not sure exactly how many people are coming into the island of Great Britain, then that's plain incompetence.
- chkaloon 4y ago
  The ETA doesn't fix the walking across the border problem.

ComposedPattern 4y ago

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sys_64738 4y ago

How do I prove I am a British citizen if I don't have a Brit passport?

CaptainZapp 4y ago

Just hope that the Homeoffice doesn't screw the scheme up like they botched passport renewals last year[0]. Given their current leadership, however, that's almost guaranteed to happen. 3 Days turnaround time is a joke in itself. When I electronically applied for an Australian visa I had it 40 minutes later. And that was a "real visa". Not just a travel permit. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/09/uk-passport-delays-queue-uk-holiday https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/09/uk-passport-...