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> People made content because they wanted to, and it was generally better quality than the corporate blogspam we have now. When were these glory days that peop

> People made content because they wanted to, and it was generally better quality than the corporate blogspam we have now. When were these glory days that people made good content - news and/or analysis for free? Blog spam has been a thing since before Google when sites would have hidden text to appear on AltaVists. There was the X1 pop under windows and the punch the monkey banner ads early on.

MomoXenosaga 4y ago
Gamefaqs. Someone typed out the entire script of Deus Ex. For free. Don't fuck with gamers they are a force beyond human comprehension.
b112 4y ago
When were these glory days that people made good content - news and/or analysis for free? There were endless free sites, without advertising, back in the day. Many were people installing apache, and putting simple html/text pages up. Free content outnumbered anything commerical for a decade, including blog spam. Altavista being bad at filtering, is not relevant, becuase you're stating the problem, which gave rise to google. People could no longer find valid content, due to a tiny number of bad actors.
- scarface74 4y ago
  There was content. But most of it was useless. Hobby level MySpace level, GeoCities stuff. When was this decade? Navigator came out in 1994. By 2004, the web was fully commercialized.
  - b112 4y ago
    The web isn't "fully commercialized" today even. Endless hobby sites, non-profit groups, and things such as clubs(bike clubs, etc), are completely free of any commerical intent or advertising. Even government sites are ad free, non-profit, non-commercial by their very nature. In 2004, before modern-class smartphones, before endless smaller companies even had a web presence, before facebook was a big thing, there was still mostly ad-free, commercial free content. And I should add here, paying for a computer and internet link at home, or paying for a server in a datacentre, or buying a pre-configured wordpress site, without ads, are all commerical free endeavours. Otherwise, nothing was ever commerical free, because everyone always paid for resources to provide content in some way. Paying for resources, does not make a thing commerical. You and I have a very different view of the past. Were you on the web pre-2000? I ask, because I don't understand the difference in our opinions.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      My first for pay project was modifying a Mac HyperCard, Gopher server in 1993 that used C based XFNs (?) for TCP/IP (yeah there was such a thing) to implement a chatbot. My earliest post I can find on Usenet was from 1993. Yeah I learned a lot from comp.lang.c. But there really wasn’t that much of value for research. Sure there was tidbits and ftp Mac archive sites for shareware.
    - sirl1on 4y ago
      > Endless hobby sites, non-profit groups, and things such as clubs(bike clubs, etc), are completely free of any commerical intent or advertising. As people aren't okay with having to actively looking for content (anymore), this has been relegated to Facebook/Discord/Telegram/WhatsApp/etc. Groups. You either are bombarded with ads or pay with your metadata.

MomoXenosaga 4y ago

Gamefaqs. Someone typed out the entire script of Deus Ex. For free. Don't fuck with gamers they are a force beyond human comprehension.

b112 4y ago

When were these glory days that people made good content - news and/or analysis for free? There were endless free sites, without advertising, back in the day. Many were people installing apache, and putting simple html/text pages up. Free content outnumbered anything commerical for a decade, including blog spam. Altavista being bad at filtering, is not relevant, becuase you're stating the problem, which gave rise to google. People could no longer find valid content, due to a tiny number of bad actors.

scarface74 4y ago
There was content. But most of it was useless. Hobby level MySpace level, GeoCities stuff. When was this decade? Navigator came out in 1994. By 2004, the web was fully commercialized.
- b112 4y ago
  The web isn't "fully commercialized" today even. Endless hobby sites, non-profit groups, and things such as clubs(bike clubs, etc), are completely free of any commerical intent or advertising. Even government sites are ad free, non-profit, non-commercial by their very nature. In 2004, before modern-class smartphones, before endless smaller companies even had a web presence, before facebook was a big thing, there was still mostly ad-free, commercial free content. And I should add here, paying for a computer and internet link at home, or paying for a server in a datacentre, or buying a pre-configured wordpress site, without ads, are all commerical free endeavours. Otherwise, nothing was ever commerical free, because everyone always paid for resources to provide content in some way. Paying for resources, does not make a thing commerical. You and I have a very different view of the past. Were you on the web pre-2000? I ask, because I don't understand the difference in our opinions.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    My first for pay project was modifying a Mac HyperCard, Gopher server in 1993 that used C based XFNs (?) for TCP/IP (yeah there was such a thing) to implement a chatbot. My earliest post I can find on Usenet was from 1993. Yeah I learned a lot from comp.lang.c. But there really wasn’t that much of value for research. Sure there was tidbits and ftp Mac archive sites for shareware.
  - sirl1on 4y ago
    > Endless hobby sites, non-profit groups, and things such as clubs(bike clubs, etc), are completely free of any commerical intent or advertising. As people aren't okay with having to actively looking for content (anymore), this has been relegated to Facebook/Discord/Telegram/WhatsApp/etc. Groups. You either are bombarded with ads or pay with your metadata.