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I am your neighbor and a fellow Central/Eastern European. With all due respect but I don't really view Poland as any sort of democratic, progressive place I wou

by Matl 4y ago

I am your neighbor and a fellow Central/Eastern European. With all due respect but I don't really view Poland as any sort of democratic, progressive place I would like to live in. If it's socialism or the sort of uber conservative, extremely religious politics and society that make Polish women escape into the UK just so they can escape their controlling parents, (personally experienced this story many times), then I don't really take current sentiments coming from there all that seriously and I'd rather take the first option. But in reality I am for a mix of both, but 'socialism bad' is just an overly simplistic, propaganda loaded agenda that does nothing to push your society towards a more balanced track than it is on now.

baal80spam 4y ago
I don't want to go into this kind of discussion but even if Poland is uber conservative and extremely religious (which I don't agree with), it doesn't change the fact that socialism is an antiutopia, a fable. If you get a chance, please ask these women what they think about it (if they are old enough to remember).
- Matl 4y ago
  I have family members who lived through it, (not in Poland, but next door), what they admit seems like a mixed bag, be it of course an authoritarian one, but a lot more mixed that what I initially assumed; for one the political system is much more open and free than under socialism back then, but they also say it's nowhere near as free as they imagined it would be. They say the selection and abundance of food and products is much greater now, but that the quality of food is lower. They're surprised when I tell them that I sometimes have to work during the weekend and oftentimes extra hours during the week as they assumed this only happens under socialism. They've also enjoyed more regular retreats that I do. They say that the general quality of education seemed higher, excluding the propaganda. They didn't have to pay tens of thousands for their education and be in debt as soon as they're adults. They also admit that they can't really imagine buying and actually owning a house during their lifetimes with current market prices and admit that they didn't really have to think that much about such basic sensitivities back then. But I am not in favor of that system, because as you may not be aware there are many more ways to implement certain socialist policies without eliminating the benefits of democracy and keeping the market free where it makes sense. Capitalism makes sense in some places, it just doesn't make sense everywhere.

by Matl 4y ago

baal80spam 4y ago

I don't want to go into this kind of discussion but even if Poland is uber conservative and extremely religious (which I don't agree with), it doesn't change the fact that socialism is an antiutopia, a fable. If you get a chance, please ask these women what they think about it (if they are old enough to remember).

Matl 4y ago
I have family members who lived through it, (not in Poland, but next door), what they admit seems like a mixed bag, be it of course an authoritarian one, but a lot more mixed that what I initially assumed; for one the political system is much more open and free than under socialism back then, but they also say it's nowhere near as free as they imagined it would be. They say the selection and abundance of food and products is much greater now, but that the quality of food is lower. They're surprised when I tell them that I sometimes have to work during the weekend and oftentimes extra hours during the week as they assumed this only happens under socialism. They've also enjoyed more regular retreats that I do. They say that the general quality of education seemed higher, excluding the propaganda. They didn't have to pay tens of thousands for their education and be in debt as soon as they're adults. They also admit that they can't really imagine buying and actually owning a house during their lifetimes with current market prices and admit that they didn't really have to think that much about such basic sensitivities back then. But I am not in favor of that system, because as you may not be aware there are many more ways to implement certain socialist policies without eliminating the benefits of democracy and keeping the market free where it makes sense. Capitalism makes sense in some places, it just doesn't make sense everywhere.