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I think you need to bone up on your civic lessons. As a Canadian citizen, your bank account cannot be arbitrarily frozen by the RCMP and some politician becaus

by refurb 4y ago

I think you need to bone up on your civic lessons. As a Canadian citizen, your bank account cannot be arbitrarily frozen by the RCMP and some politician because they feel like it. Your bank can do it, but no the government cant without evidence, a court order and your right to argue your case before a judge. It’s called “due process”. How do you not know that? I think I get it now. You’re not upset because you didn't even understand the rights you had before they were taken away.

Nursie 4y ago
I had a huge long reply but I’ve removed it, in the end we’re never going to see eye to eye. In the circumstances, I don’t believe that power is disproportionate, particularly as it was not exercised. You do. I think that’s really all we can learn from this conversation.
- refurb 4y ago
  Again, I'd encourage you to do a deep dive into the laws of Canada. Like I said, it's clear you don't understand the rights you have - so not surprising you don't see the problem. The banks can and will freeze accounts when the police or other agencies raise suspicions with them in most western nations The police or a politician cannot arbitrarily order a bank account frozen without a court order (again due process). Sure, the police could say "hey that looks suspicious", but the bank is under no obligation to do anything. You say there is no distinction there - I'd say it's a massive distinction. I’m not upset because it’s not unreasonable to grant powers to perform an emergency breakup of a blockade, particularly when not all of those powers are going to be exercised (as they weren’t here), and when under the scrutiny of parliament and with democratic accountability. What scrutiny of Parliament? The decision to enact the Emergencies Act was a decision by the Prime Minister, done with his cabinet, and those discussions were secret. Sure, there was a inquiry after the fact, but hey, the horse is already out the barn by then.

by refurb 4y ago

Nursie 4y ago

I had a huge long reply but I’ve removed it, in the end we’re never going to see eye to eye. In the circumstances, I don’t believe that power is disproportionate, particularly as it was not exercised. You do. I think that’s really all we can learn from this conversation.

refurb 4y ago
Again, I'd encourage you to do a deep dive into the laws of Canada. Like I said, it's clear you don't understand the rights you have - so not surprising you don't see the problem. The banks can and will freeze accounts when the police or other agencies raise suspicions with them in most western nations The police or a politician cannot arbitrarily order a bank account frozen without a court order (again due process). Sure, the police could say "hey that looks suspicious", but the bank is under no obligation to do anything. You say there is no distinction there - I'd say it's a massive distinction. I’m not upset because it’s not unreasonable to grant powers to perform an emergency breakup of a blockade, particularly when not all of those powers are going to be exercised (as they weren’t here), and when under the scrutiny of parliament and with democratic accountability. What scrutiny of Parliament? The decision to enact the Emergencies Act was a decision by the Prime Minister, done with his cabinet, and those discussions were secret. Sure, there was a inquiry after the fact, but hey, the horse is already out the barn by then.