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Governments and police have all sorts of powers. Freezing bank accounts pending investigation is not particularly outlandish (look at all the “I may have done s

by Nursie 4y ago

Governments and police have all sorts of powers. Freezing bank accounts pending investigation is not particularly outlandish (look at all the “I may have done some money laundering… why are my accounts locked?” threads that pop up in relation to cryptocurrency on Reddit) The theoretical but non-exercised power to put a temporary freeze on the bank account of someone contributing to a blockade which is being dismantled under the provisions of a national emergency, with both democratic and judicial oversight … Yeah there are bigger things to get worked up about. I would expect national emergency legislation to come with all sorts of powers, and only the appropriate ones to be exercised, with Parliamentary and democratic accountability down the line for those doing the exercising. Yikes indeed, that people are surprised by the availability of financial interventions available to governments, in extremis.

refurb 4y ago
I think you need to bone up on your civic lessons. As a Canadian citizen, your bank account cannot be arbitrarily frozen by the RCMP and some politician because they feel like it. Your bank can do it, but no the government cant without evidence, a court order and your right to argue your case before a judge. It’s called “due process”. How do you not know that? I think I get it now. You’re not upset because you didn't even understand the rights you had before they were taken away.
- Nursie 4y ago
  I had a huge long reply but I’ve removed it, in the end we’re never going to see eye to eye. In the circumstances, I don’t believe that power is disproportionate, particularly as it was not exercised. You do. I think that’s really all we can learn from this conversation.
  - refurb 4y ago
    Again, I'd encourage you to do a deep dive into the laws of Canada. Like I said, it's clear you don't understand the rights you have - so not surprising you don't see the problem. The banks can and will freeze accounts when the police or other agencies raise suspicions with them in most western nations The police or a politician cannot arbitrarily order a bank account frozen without a court order (again due process). Sure, the police could say "hey that looks suspicious", but the bank is under no obligation to do anything. You say there is no distinction there - I'd say it's a massive distinction. I’m not upset because it’s not unreasonable to grant powers to perform an emergency breakup of a blockade, particularly when not all of those powers are going to be exercised (as they weren’t here), and when under the scrutiny of parliament and with democratic accountability. What scrutiny of Parliament? The decision to enact the Emergencies Act was a decision by the Prime Minister, done with his cabinet, and those discussions were secret. Sure, there was a inquiry after the fact, but hey, the horse is already out the barn by then.

by Nursie 4y ago

refurb 4y ago

I think you need to bone up on your civic lessons. As a Canadian citizen, your bank account cannot be arbitrarily frozen by the RCMP and some politician because they feel like it. Your bank can do it, but no the government cant without evidence, a court order and your right to argue your case before a judge. It’s called “due process”. How do you not know that? I think I get it now. You’re not upset because you didn't even understand the rights you had before they were taken away.

Nursie 4y ago
I had a huge long reply but I’ve removed it, in the end we’re never going to see eye to eye. In the circumstances, I don’t believe that power is disproportionate, particularly as it was not exercised. You do. I think that’s really all we can learn from this conversation.
- refurb 4y ago
  Again, I'd encourage you to do a deep dive into the laws of Canada. Like I said, it's clear you don't understand the rights you have - so not surprising you don't see the problem. The banks can and will freeze accounts when the police or other agencies raise suspicions with them in most western nations The police or a politician cannot arbitrarily order a bank account frozen without a court order (again due process). Sure, the police could say "hey that looks suspicious", but the bank is under no obligation to do anything. You say there is no distinction there - I'd say it's a massive distinction. I’m not upset because it’s not unreasonable to grant powers to perform an emergency breakup of a blockade, particularly when not all of those powers are going to be exercised (as they weren’t here), and when under the scrutiny of parliament and with democratic accountability. What scrutiny of Parliament? The decision to enact the Emergencies Act was a decision by the Prime Minister, done with his cabinet, and those discussions were secret. Sure, there was a inquiry after the fact, but hey, the horse is already out the barn by then.