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It's more that there doesn't seem to be any kind of synergy between Fuschia and Google's business of selling ads, hence the fake work label. If Google tried to

by jfim 4y ago

It's more that there doesn't seem to be any kind of synergy between Fuschia and Google's business of selling ads, hence the fake work label. If Google tried to launch a FM radio ad business and it flopped, it would be at least related to their core business.

scaramanga 4y ago
Now we're just dunking on people who think the purpose of the economy is (ought to be) to connect idle hands with needed work? Instead, we're lamenting that a company should "at least be trying" to pump more sewage into the river we all drink from. What a sad state of affairs :)
olliej 4y ago
The goal of fuchsia is/was to create a better platform for future products - a lot of engineering goes into securing the linux base of android which is not free. There was also talk about being "better at modern hardware", "lighter weight", etc ideas but I generally feel that claims like that from any software/platform are questionable: they're not really measurable, and what is "good" could easily be different in a generation or two of hardware/software changes. The more robust security basis for the platform is a much stronger claim, and remains true as hardware and software change around it. E.g. we can improve the security of a platform by adding CHERI say, and that improves the security of a linux+android based system, but fuchsia would also get those wins on top of the existing more secure basis - the gap may be reduced but fuchsia stays ahead. So the goal is to create a platform that is more profitable in the long term, so not "fake work". It would appear that Google decided that there has not been sufficient evidence of success to warrant any further investment, but that does not mean it is "fake work". Such a definition of "fake work" would mean that any project that you should never do or attempt anything if you do not have guaranteed success. Note: Google's business model is ads. Android exists for the purpose of selling ads. The long term goal of fuchsia under this model would be a cost reduction in the maintenance of some android style product (whether it would still be branded android shrug). That's the business argument for fuchsia, and it would appear that google has decided that it doesn't think the end result is likely to warrant the cost of getting there. I think that's a shame, and I feel bad for my former coworkers, but I can't say "companies should be required to continue developing projects forever, even if it appears they won't succeed in their goals" because that would also be dumb :-/

by jfim 4y ago

scaramanga 4y ago

Now we're just dunking on people who think the purpose of the economy is (ought to be) to connect idle hands with needed work? Instead, we're lamenting that a company should "at least be trying" to pump more sewage into the river we all drink from. What a sad state of affairs :)

olliej 4y ago

The goal of fuchsia is/was to create a better platform for future products - a lot of engineering goes into securing the linux base of android which is not free. There was also talk about being "better at modern hardware", "lighter weight", etc ideas but I generally feel that claims like that from any software/platform are questionable: they're not really measurable, and what is "good" could easily be different in a generation or two of hardware/software changes. The more robust security basis for the platform is a much stronger claim, and remains true as hardware and software change around it. E.g. we can improve the security of a platform by adding CHERI say, and that improves the security of a linux+android based system, but fuchsia would also get those wins on top of the existing more secure basis - the gap may be reduced but fuchsia stays ahead. So the goal is to create a platform that is more profitable in the long term, so not "fake work". It would appear that Google decided that there has not been sufficient evidence of success to warrant any further investment, but that does not mean it is "fake work". Such a definition of "fake work" would mean that any project that you should never do or attempt anything if you do not have guaranteed success. Note: Google's business model is ads. Android exists for the purpose of selling ads. The long term goal of fuchsia under this model would be a cost reduction in the maintenance of some android style product (whether it would still be branded android shrug). That's the business argument for fuchsia, and it would appear that google has decided that it doesn't think the end result is likely to warrant the cost of getting there. I think that's a shame, and I feel bad for my former coworkers, but I can't say "companies should be required to continue developing projects forever, even if it appears they won't succeed in their goals" because that would also be dumb :-/