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>If you take a big chunk of credit creation and issuance out of service, the economy is likely to regress fairly significantly. Similarly, ceasing steroid use

>If you take a big chunk of credit creation and issuance out of service, the economy is likely to regress fairly significantly. Similarly, ceasing steroid use will reduce muscle mass.

adam_arthur 4y ago
Imagine trying to buy a house without a loan. Or start a business without cash up front. We can move to a world without credit, but standard of living for people will drop significantly. Look at what happened when they tightened lending standards into a recession in the 1930s. The key is to find the right balance in regulations to make the system robust
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- TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
  Imagine a world where people had enough cash to do those things without needing a loan. No doubt it would be "inflationary" or some other nonsense, but the reality is that banking is a form of deliberate rationing and enforced political hierarchy. The financial industry exists solely for its own benefit, at spectacular cost to everyone else - not just by making significant capital almost cripplingly expensive for most of the population, but also by acting in irresponsible self-serving ways which everyone else has to pay for.
  - mablopoule 4y ago
    How is giving financial leverage to people with not enough cash in the bank, but a solid forseeable revenue stream "a form of deliberate rationing and enforced political hierarchy"? It's like wishing that healthcare system wouldn't exist because you imagine a world where people were just healthy instead.
    - spopejoy 4y ago
      Because the current overinflated housing market is a direct consequence (in the US) of loosening credit requirements for mortgages, the product of a herculean lobbying effort by investment banks in the late 70s to get the government to allow them to securitize mortgages (that is, immediately sell the off after origination), with the mortgage interest deduction (a subsidy to banks) the cherry on top. Mortgages used to be boring and conservative, house prices were rational, but financial middlemen didn't make any money on it so it had to stop. It took the Reagan administration installing the Merrill Lynch CEO as head of Treasury to get it done. The 2008 financial crisis and today's overinflated shitshow of a housing market are the direct result, along with tons of wealth creation for the rentier class.
      - hgdfhgfdhgdf 4y ago
        The $175,000 brand new 3 bedroom homes in Houston are overinflated? There must be something else that's causing the inflation.

>If you take a big chunk of credit creation and issuance out of service, the economy is likely to regress fairly significantly. Similarly, ceasing steroid use will reduce muscle mass.

adam_arthur 4y ago

Imagine trying to buy a house without a loan. Or start a business without cash up front. We can move to a world without credit, but standard of living for people will drop significantly. Look at what happened when they tightened lending standards into a recession in the 1930s. The key is to find the right balance in regulations to make the system robust

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TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
Imagine a world where people had enough cash to do those things without needing a loan. No doubt it would be "inflationary" or some other nonsense, but the reality is that banking is a form of deliberate rationing and enforced political hierarchy. The financial industry exists solely for its own benefit, at spectacular cost to everyone else - not just by making significant capital almost cripplingly expensive for most of the population, but also by acting in irresponsible self-serving ways which everyone else has to pay for.
- mablopoule 4y ago
  How is giving financial leverage to people with not enough cash in the bank, but a solid forseeable revenue stream "a form of deliberate rationing and enforced political hierarchy"? It's like wishing that healthcare system wouldn't exist because you imagine a world where people were just healthy instead.
  - spopejoy 4y ago
    Because the current overinflated housing market is a direct consequence (in the US) of loosening credit requirements for mortgages, the product of a herculean lobbying effort by investment banks in the late 70s to get the government to allow them to securitize mortgages (that is, immediately sell the off after origination), with the mortgage interest deduction (a subsidy to banks) the cherry on top. Mortgages used to be boring and conservative, house prices were rational, but financial middlemen didn't make any money on it so it had to stop. It took the Reagan administration installing the Merrill Lynch CEO as head of Treasury to get it done. The 2008 financial crisis and today's overinflated shitshow of a housing market are the direct result, along with tons of wealth creation for the rentier class.
    - hgdfhgfdhgdf 4y ago
      The $175,000 brand new 3 bedroom homes in Houston are overinflated? There must be something else that's causing the inflation.