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I'm attempting to enter this field at possibly the worst time, with the worst qualifications. No YOE, no degree. I do have friends in the field that may be able

by Ralo 4y ago

I'm attempting to enter this field at possibly the worst time, with the worst qualifications. No YOE, no degree. I do have friends in the field that may be able to help but it's far from guaranteed. Only thing I have going for me is that I have many years of non-professional programming experience and multiple great open source projects but at this point, I think my only hope is accepting anything. Any pay, any location, remote or in person. I'm already working near minimum wage jobs, so it's probably better to work something relevant on a resume. I'm also in Canada so, it was sparse to begin with.

sharemywin 4y ago
look at government jobs and universities. maybe non-profits.
- Ralo 4y ago
  That's a good idea. I'll look into that
ryan-allen 4y ago
I got my first job at 19 after the dot com collapse, I was hired _because_ I had no work experience, no degree, and no expectations of salary (I was hired on minimum wage, though). They wanted a few people with no understanding of what it was like before the crash. I hope you find something!
- Ralo 4y ago
  I do find that hopeful. I assume the hardest jobs at the moment would be the senior positions. These companies still need projects moving but also don't have much cash to pay, so the senior are first to get axed. At least, in my thought. I have a brother whos a licensed electrician. When he was doing his on-job training, he always had steady work but once he got his full license and pay raise, he found himself getting laid off every year. The company would get less work for the winter and they axed the seniors right away.
JohnFen 4y ago
Also look at companies that aren't obviously software companies. Manufacturing, Transportation, Energy, etc., all need programmers, too. And many of those jobs are more interesting than you'd think.
- Ralo 4y ago
  In my local city, that's what most of my postings are for too. So, I'd be very open to that.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  My head places are all the rejecting me too. Particularly in manufacturing it seems they want people with domain experience: MES, etc.
selfmodruntime 4y ago
This is why I told my friends to get a community college degree at the least. In times of prosperity, you can and do get hired without a degree. But when the industry takes a nose dive, you will get skipped over for candidates who do have a degree.
endigma 4y ago
email me @ endigma@fastmail.com, hiring, interested in what you say, in Canada
schwartzworld 4y ago
> I think my only hope is accepting anything This is the answer. Consider it a paid internship, do it for 15 month and then go make double somewhere else.
- Ralo 4y ago
  That's how I'm treating it. It seems once you get certain YOE you can be more picky. I'm already working minimum wage jobs, so this isn't a complete change of direction or life style anyways.

by Ralo 4y ago

sharemywin 4y ago

look at government jobs and universities. maybe non-profits.

Ralo 4y ago
That's a good idea. I'll look into that

ryan-allen 4y ago

I got my first job at 19 after the dot com collapse, I was hired _because_ I had no work experience, no degree, and no expectations of salary (I was hired on minimum wage, though). They wanted a few people with no understanding of what it was like before the crash. I hope you find something!

Ralo 4y ago
I do find that hopeful. I assume the hardest jobs at the moment would be the senior positions. These companies still need projects moving but also don't have much cash to pay, so the senior are first to get axed. At least, in my thought. I have a brother whos a licensed electrician. When he was doing his on-job training, he always had steady work but once he got his full license and pay raise, he found himself getting laid off every year. The company would get less work for the winter and they axed the seniors right away.

JohnFen 4y ago

Also look at companies that aren't obviously software companies. Manufacturing, Transportation, Energy, etc., all need programmers, too. And many of those jobs are more interesting than you'd think.

Ralo 4y ago
In my local city, that's what most of my postings are for too. So, I'd be very open to that.
the_only_law 4y ago
My head places are all the rejecting me too. Particularly in manufacturing it seems they want people with domain experience: MES, etc.

selfmodruntime 4y ago

This is why I told my friends to get a community college degree at the least. In times of prosperity, you can and do get hired without a degree. But when the industry takes a nose dive, you will get skipped over for candidates who do have a degree.

endigma 4y ago

email me @ endigma@fastmail.com, hiring, interested in what you say, in Canada

schwartzworld 4y ago

> I think my only hope is accepting anything This is the answer. Consider it a paid internship, do it for 15 month and then go make double somewhere else.

Ralo 4y ago
That's how I'm treating it. It seems once you get certain YOE you can be more picky. I'm already working minimum wage jobs, so this isn't a complete change of direction or life style anyways.