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I don't trust any organization that in "Government as the Ultimate Cause of the Tragedy of the Commons" states that private ownership is the cure. Who owns the

I don't trust any organization that in "Government as the Ultimate Cause of the Tragedy of the Commons" states that private ownership is the cure. Who owns the oceans, and who owns the air?

aww_dang 4y ago
That is an unfortunate dismissal. Perhaps it would be better to examine the arguments provided rather than preemptively dismissing them. Fwiw, Mises.org is shadowbanned from new submissions on this site, but the authoritarian view from legacy media sources is celebrated. You can even post articles from socialist/marxist outlets like Jacobin.
- b1c1jones 4y ago
  What makes anyone think I didn't examine the arguments? What is your view on the Tragedy of the Commons with regards to air, and ocean? Are you advocating they be privately owned?
  - aww_dang 4y ago
    If you did examine the arguments, you didn't engage with them. Instead you dismissed the conclusion with a flippant hand-wave. Doctor: Here's why you should take medicine. It is grape flavor jones: Underlying conditions be damned. I don't like grape flavor. Not taking it. Doctor 2: Yeah sure, just eat chocolate. jones: Here's my pharmacy's number If your use of the atmosphere on your property harms my health or otherwise detracts from the value of my person or property, then you should be liable. Liability shouldn't be limited by citing, "But I was within the EPA guidelines! Don't like it, take it up with the state! We all voted and you've had your say. Breathe in the toxic fumes democratically. You had your chance to elect politicians who in turn could appoint bureaucrats; Bureaucrats which can freely interpret and selectively enforce legislation as per their capricious whims. Yes, you've had your chance in the land of freedom." Is there a bigger tragedy of the 'commons' than democracy? Everything falls under the public prerogative. Who you should marry and what you should eat or drink is now part of the 'commons'. What is private today can just as easily become part of the "collective good".
    - b1c1jones 4y ago
      Thank you for the attempt.

I don't trust any organization that in "Government as the Ultimate Cause of the Tragedy of the Commons" states that private ownership is the cure. Who owns the oceans, and who owns the air?

aww_dang 4y ago

That is an unfortunate dismissal. Perhaps it would be better to examine the arguments provided rather than preemptively dismissing them. Fwiw, Mises.org is shadowbanned from new submissions on this site, but the authoritarian view from legacy media sources is celebrated. You can even post articles from socialist/marxist outlets like Jacobin.

b1c1jones 4y ago
What makes anyone think I didn't examine the arguments? What is your view on the Tragedy of the Commons with regards to air, and ocean? Are you advocating they be privately owned?
- aww_dang 4y ago
  If you did examine the arguments, you didn't engage with them. Instead you dismissed the conclusion with a flippant hand-wave. Doctor: Here's why you should take medicine. It is grape flavor jones: Underlying conditions be damned. I don't like grape flavor. Not taking it. Doctor 2: Yeah sure, just eat chocolate. jones: Here's my pharmacy's number If your use of the atmosphere on your property harms my health or otherwise detracts from the value of my person or property, then you should be liable. Liability shouldn't be limited by citing, "But I was within the EPA guidelines! Don't like it, take it up with the state! We all voted and you've had your say. Breathe in the toxic fumes democratically. You had your chance to elect politicians who in turn could appoint bureaucrats; Bureaucrats which can freely interpret and selectively enforce legislation as per their capricious whims. Yes, you've had your chance in the land of freedom." Is there a bigger tragedy of the 'commons' than democracy? Everything falls under the public prerogative. Who you should marry and what you should eat or drink is now part of the 'commons'. What is private today can just as easily become part of the "collective good".
  - b1c1jones 4y ago
    Thank you for the attempt.