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I knew it guys, I knew it. I knew a comment like this would be the most voted comment.

by mirthflat83 4y ago

DangitBobby 4y ago
It's so tiresome. I hate Go but you don't see me bringing it up every time someone mentions it. For some reason it's irresistible, I guess because they know the choir will like the sermon.
- selfmodruntime 4y ago
  You can actually measure the amount of dollars a language / framework / tools generates in real business applications by looking at how hated it is on HN. React generates billions of dollars every day.
jiriknesl 4y ago
It's the most upvoted comment for a reason. Back then, people fell in love with GMail and suddenly everyone thought they were building another GMail. This wasn't true. Most people were building an app with a couple of forms, a datagrid and maybe 2 highly interactive pages. PHP, Python & Ruby frameworks gave perfect support for all this >10 years ago. You had jQuery plugins you added to page in 30 minutes and you had validation. In 2 hours you had a datagrid. Autocomplete, datepicker, things like this was no problem. It was a form of egoism all the time. Coding Sign In page was work for less than an hour. Now, in React, it's 2 days. Look at developers now and compare them with senior devs a decade ago. My estimate is that development today is 4 times slower. Given a growth of salary at least 50%, a system back then in MySQL, jQuery, Django or Zend Framework for $40,000 is now $240,000 in React with GraphQL, Mongo, etc.
- robertoandred 4y ago
  Do you think there aren't "plugins" for data grids, autocomplete, and date pickers for React?
  - jiriknesl 4y ago
    It's my observation as someone who leads developers well over a decade. Development just got way more expensive, slower to get app-like feel. All this when >80% of pages in almost any webapp could be server-side rendered without big (or any) sacrifice of user experience.

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I knew it guys, I knew it. I knew a comment like this would be the most voted comment.

by mirthflat83 4y ago

I knew it guys, I knew it. I knew a comment like this would be the most voted comment.

DangitBobby 4y ago
It's so tiresome. I hate Go but you don't see me bringing it up every time someone mentions it. For some reason it's irresistible, I guess because they know the choir will like the sermon.
- selfmodruntime 4y ago
  You can actually measure the amount of dollars a language / framework / tools generates in real business applications by looking at how hated it is on HN. React generates billions of dollars every day.
jiriknesl 4y ago
It's the most upvoted comment for a reason. Back then, people fell in love with GMail and suddenly everyone thought they were building another GMail. This wasn't true. Most people were building an app with a couple of forms, a datagrid and maybe 2 highly interactive pages. PHP, Python & Ruby frameworks gave perfect support for all this >10 years ago. You had jQuery plugins you added to page in 30 minutes and you had validation. In 2 hours you had a datagrid. Autocomplete, datepicker, things like this was no problem. It was a form of egoism all the time. Coding Sign In page was work for less than an hour. Now, in React, it's 2 days. Look at developers now and compare them with senior devs a decade ago. My estimate is that development today is 4 times slower. Given a growth of salary at least 50%, a system back then in MySQL, jQuery, Django or Zend Framework for $40,000 is now $240,000 in React with GraphQL, Mongo, etc.
- robertoandred 4y ago
  Do you think there aren't "plugins" for data grids, autocomplete, and date pickers for React?
  - jiriknesl 4y ago
    It's my observation as someone who leads developers well over a decade. Development just got way more expensive, slower to get app-like feel. All this when >80% of pages in almost any webapp could be server-side rendered without big (or any) sacrifice of user experience.