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>Moreover, SVB has a strong franchise that is at the center of American entrepreneurship and technology industry growth. Tl:Dr: Save us, Big Government.

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malermeister 4y ago
Yeah, it is pretty ironic having this come from all the same people that were oh-so-libertarian when it wasn't affecting them.
darcys22 4y ago
They deposited 3B with this bank for the specific purpose of it being a safe place. Their 10B in cash was spread over 6 banks to diversify the bank risk. They have plenty of higher risk investments in their treasury, but these ones were the safe ones intentionally put into banks with insurance. If the government protection wasn't there the investment would’t have been there in the first place
- benatkin 4y ago
  But the insurance doesn't apply to the full amount.
  - oldgradstudent 4y ago
    The insurance is negligible for them.
    - benatkin 4y ago
      Hence the government protection should be partial. Mostly just making sure SVB's assets are used to lessen the impact of the closure. If that results in Circle getting pennies on the dollar then so be it.
      - oldgradstudent 4y ago
        > Mostly just making sure SVB's assets are used to lessen the impact of the closure That's standard practice. Money from liquidation goes first to insured deposits, then what remains goes to uninsured deposits, then to pay other debts, and finally if anything is left, to shareholders. Looks like here it will only cover insured deposits and substantial fraction of uninsured deposits.
        benatkin 4y ago
        Yeah, some think that substantial fraction will be 100%. We'll see! I don't want to give Circle one cent of bailout money, though. And their post is saying that they are owed a full bailout because they participated in the bank run on the day of the bank run, and also begging for a full bailout. Pretty pathetic.
        humanizersequel 4y ago
        >And their post is saying that they are owed a full bailout because they participated in the bank run on the day of the bank run, and also begging for a full bailout. Where in this post does it say that?
        benatkin 4y ago
        The part where they participated in the bank run: > $3.3bn of USDC’s cash reserves remain with SVB. As of Thursday, we had initiated transfers of these funds to other banking partners. Though these transfers had not yet been settled as of close of business Friday, we remain confident in the FDIC’s management of the SVB situation and stand ready to receive these funds. The part where they said that because they participated in the bank run that they should keep it all, presumably even if others who didn't participate in the bank run lose some of theirs: > We have reason to believe that under applicable FDIC policy, transfers initiated prior to a bank entering receivership would have otherwise been processed normally. In other words, the FDIC should allow transactions to settle in the ordinary course through the end of a bank’s standard daily processing cycle until the FDIC takes control of the failed institution. "transfers initiated prior to a bank entering receivership" is doing a lot of work here.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > 10B in cash was spread over 6 banks to diversify the bank risk This is nonsense Treasury management. Fidelity spreads checking account deposits across twenty-six banks to reach $3mm FDIC coverage [1]. Beyond sweep, Circle’s assets should be in short-term, on-the-run Treasuries, repos and commercial paper. [1] https://accountopening.fidelity.com/ftgw/aong/aongapp/fdicBankList?type=fcma https://accountopening.fidelity.com/ftgw/aong/aongapp/fdicBa...
  - darcys22 4y ago
    They do hold 32B in short term treasury bills though https://www.blackrock.com/cash/en-us/products/329365/ https://www.blackrock.com/cash/en-us/products/329365/ These funds appear to be specifically for short term redemptions, if they turn over 3B in redemption's every 7 days then how are they meant to keep less then that in the banks
jfengel 4y ago
They don't even need a bailout. Ordinary big government regulation is solving this.
rekttrader 4y ago
That’s a cheap shot, does roku deserve a 470+m haircut?
- rekttrader 4y ago
  Also they are 95% solvent as a bank... this too will pass.
- paulddraper 4y ago
  > deserve IDK what that word means, in a financial context. Can you get paid based on this "deserve"? --- But in reality, no, no one will lose 100%.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > does roku deserve a 470+m haircut Yes. Public company CFOs should not have this level of non-AAA counterparty risk concentration. (SVB were A1 and Baa1 [1] / A+ and BBB+ [2].) [1] https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2023-03-10/moodys-downgrades-credit-ratings-on-silicon-valley-bank-svb-financial https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2023-03-10/... [2] https://wolfstreet.com/credit-rating-scales-by-moodys-sp-and-fitch/ https://wolfstreet.com/credit-rating-scales-by-moodys-sp-and...
  - VagueMag 4y ago
    I would like to know how I can get the $400K/year corporate treasurer job that's just "park all the money in a single bank account with no insurance."
throw03172019 4y ago
Mmmm no. That’s not what is going on here.

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malermeister 4y ago

Yeah, it is pretty ironic having this come from all the same people that were oh-so-libertarian when it wasn't affecting them.

darcys22 4y ago

They deposited 3B with this bank for the specific purpose of it being a safe place. Their 10B in cash was spread over 6 banks to diversify the bank risk. They have plenty of higher risk investments in their treasury, but these ones were the safe ones intentionally put into banks with insurance. If the government protection wasn't there the investment would’t have been there in the first place

benatkin 4y ago
But the insurance doesn't apply to the full amount.
- oldgradstudent 4y ago
  The insurance is negligible for them.
  - benatkin 4y ago
    Hence the government protection should be partial. Mostly just making sure SVB's assets are used to lessen the impact of the closure. If that results in Circle getting pennies on the dollar then so be it.
    - oldgradstudent 4y ago
      > Mostly just making sure SVB's assets are used to lessen the impact of the closure That's standard practice. Money from liquidation goes first to insured deposits, then what remains goes to uninsured deposits, then to pay other debts, and finally if anything is left, to shareholders. Looks like here it will only cover insured deposits and substantial fraction of uninsured deposits.
      - benatkin 4y ago
        Yeah, some think that substantial fraction will be 100%. We'll see! I don't want to give Circle one cent of bailout money, though. And their post is saying that they are owed a full bailout because they participated in the bank run on the day of the bank run, and also begging for a full bailout. Pretty pathetic.
        humanizersequel 4y ago
        >And their post is saying that they are owed a full bailout because they participated in the bank run on the day of the bank run, and also begging for a full bailout. Where in this post does it say that?
        benatkin 4y ago
        The part where they participated in the bank run: > $3.3bn of USDC’s cash reserves remain with SVB. As of Thursday, we had initiated transfers of these funds to other banking partners. Though these transfers had not yet been settled as of close of business Friday, we remain confident in the FDIC’s management of the SVB situation and stand ready to receive these funds. The part where they said that because they participated in the bank run that they should keep it all, presumably even if others who didn't participate in the bank run lose some of theirs: > We have reason to believe that under applicable FDIC policy, transfers initiated prior to a bank entering receivership would have otherwise been processed normally. In other words, the FDIC should allow transactions to settle in the ordinary course through the end of a bank’s standard daily processing cycle until the FDIC takes control of the failed institution. "transfers initiated prior to a bank entering receivership" is doing a lot of work here.
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> 10B in cash was spread over 6 banks to diversify the bank risk This is nonsense Treasury management. Fidelity spreads checking account deposits across twenty-six banks to reach $3mm FDIC coverage [1]. Beyond sweep, Circle’s assets should be in short-term, on-the-run Treasuries, repos and commercial paper. [1] https://accountopening.fidelity.com/ftgw/aong/aongapp/fdicBankList?type=fcma https://accountopening.fidelity.com/ftgw/aong/aongapp/fdicBa...
- darcys22 4y ago
  They do hold 32B in short term treasury bills though https://www.blackrock.com/cash/en-us/products/329365/ https://www.blackrock.com/cash/en-us/products/329365/ These funds appear to be specifically for short term redemptions, if they turn over 3B in redemption's every 7 days then how are they meant to keep less then that in the banks

jfengel 4y ago

They don't even need a bailout. Ordinary big government regulation is solving this.

rekttrader 4y ago

That’s a cheap shot, does roku deserve a 470+m haircut?

rekttrader 4y ago
Also they are 95% solvent as a bank... this too will pass.
paulddraper 4y ago
> deserve IDK what that word means, in a financial context. Can you get paid based on this "deserve"? --- But in reality, no, no one will lose 100%.
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> does roku deserve a 470+m haircut Yes. Public company CFOs should not have this level of non-AAA counterparty risk concentration. (SVB were A1 and Baa1 [1] / A+ and BBB+ [2].) [1] https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2023-03-10/moodys-downgrades-credit-ratings-on-silicon-valley-bank-svb-financial https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2023-03-10/... [2] https://wolfstreet.com/credit-rating-scales-by-moodys-sp-and-fitch/ https://wolfstreet.com/credit-rating-scales-by-moodys-sp-and...
- VagueMag 4y ago
  I would like to know how I can get the $400K/year corporate treasurer job that's just "park all the money in a single bank account with no insurance."

throw03172019 4y ago

Mmmm no. That’s not what is going on here.