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Bush presided over a few debt ceiling fiascos run by Democrats - I think the first ones in modern times were under the Bush administration. Trump wasn't in off

Bush presided over a few debt ceiling fiascos run by Democrats - I think the first ones in modern times were under the Bush administration. Trump wasn't in office for long enough with an opposition congress to have had any time for congress to play these games: his cronies raised the debt ceiling a lot in his first 2 years in preparation for the next 2. Otherwise, the only presidents since Bush have been Democrats, so the opposition party doing this would be the Republicans. See here: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/us/politics/debt-ceiling-democrats-republicans-history.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/28/us/politics/debt-ceiling-...

morelisp 4y ago
> Over the weekend, Germany conducted a hard and close-fought election with calm, ease and not a peep about voter fraud Yeah, I'm gonna trust this guy for sure.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  The good news is that you don't have to trust this guy about the fact that Bush had a debt limit fight: it was a pretty big deal in 2006-2007 and it's all over every source that you might bother to look at. Also, this is the New York Times, which is pretty well known for not getting facts wrong, although their opinions are often suspect (and not always constrained to the editorial section).
  - morelisp 4y ago
    As always the devil is in the details, and I'm old enough I was around and paying attention for the Bush years. The debt limit fight referenced in the essay was actually extremely minor - there was never a real risk of a shutdown, unlike 1995, 2011, and 2013 - and the Democrats' position was broadly not "don't raise it" but "if you're gonna raise it, how about also we fund something other than wars". It's not at all comparable to the times the Republicans have a) actually precipitated or enacted crisis, sometimes with no specific demands, and b) when they do have demands, it's a hard line of tax cuts plus lower expenditures.
    - pclmulqdq 4y ago
      Your bias is showing here. Someone could easily come in and say that the Republicans weren't saying "don't raise it" they were saying "if you're gonna raise it, how about we give people some tax cuts too?" And those Republicans really meant it, too (/s)! It's not magically better or less of a political play when the side you like does it, even though Democrats generally cave on their own threats too early.
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morelisp 4y ago

> Over the weekend, Germany conducted a hard and close-fought election with calm, ease and not a peep about voter fraud Yeah, I'm gonna trust this guy for sure.

pclmulqdq 4y ago
The good news is that you don't have to trust this guy about the fact that Bush had a debt limit fight: it was a pretty big deal in 2006-2007 and it's all over every source that you might bother to look at. Also, this is the New York Times, which is pretty well known for not getting facts wrong, although their opinions are often suspect (and not always constrained to the editorial section).
- morelisp 4y ago
  As always the devil is in the details, and I'm old enough I was around and paying attention for the Bush years. The debt limit fight referenced in the essay was actually extremely minor - there was never a real risk of a shutdown, unlike 1995, 2011, and 2013 - and the Democrats' position was broadly not "don't raise it" but "if you're gonna raise it, how about also we fund something other than wars". It's not at all comparable to the times the Republicans have a) actually precipitated or enacted crisis, sometimes with no specific demands, and b) when they do have demands, it's a hard line of tax cuts plus lower expenditures.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    Your bias is showing here. Someone could easily come in and say that the Republicans weren't saying "don't raise it" they were saying "if you're gonna raise it, how about we give people some tax cuts too?" And those Republicans really meant it, too (/s)! It's not magically better or less of a political play when the side you like does it, even though Democrats generally cave on their own threats too early.
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