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I guess if you're including "installing a new OS" within the scope of "configuring" then maybe I get it. Even for the tech-savvy among us I think referring to

I guess if you're including "installing a new OS" within the scope of "configuring" then maybe I get it. Even for the tech-savvy among us I think referring to installing a new OS as "configuring" is a bit of a stretch :-) But I won't argue that the macbook hardware is solid.

its_so_on 15y ago
right, the point is that the macbook hardware is really OK. Microsoft Windows in the workplace is NOT really OK. That's the big difference between Apple creating a walled-off Eden and Microsoft creating a walled-off Hell in the 90's. They get treated differently (by us etc) not because the walled-off monopolistic behavior is different, but because one is solid, and one is hell...
- mvgoogler 15y ago
  "one is solid, and one is hell" I guess that's the crux of where we disagree. I think both Apple products and Microsoft products have their strengths and their weaknesses. Both are solid in many ways and both are hell in other ways. MS products work really well for a lot of people. Nothing wrong with that. Mac's really resonate with some people. That's fine too. I'm not one of them.
  - its_so_on 15y ago
    You're right, Windows DOES work really well for a lot of people. The Microsoft hate doesn't come from these people. In surveys, Microsoft is deemed "competitive", "best-in-class" and so on (by the masses). But the tech who have to administrate it prefer Linux. Windows caused them some huge headaches in the nineties. Now, starting about 2002 a lot of these same Linux-using tech guys switched over to Macs as a Unix. As Apple grew and grew, it did not completely piss off these same people. Now the Mac is becoming walled-off, but Apple gets a pass from these same sys admin type people where Microsoft doesn't. I agree with you that Windows means huge productivities for millions of businesses, and also that Macs really resonate with huge numbers of people, also millions. I also agree with the reason we're coming to an explanation, which is that Apple seems to get a pass on monopolistic behavior that we (tech people) railed on in the nineties. My attempt is to try to explain part of that.

its_so_on 15y ago

right, the point is that the macbook hardware is really OK. Microsoft Windows in the workplace is NOT really OK. That's the big difference between Apple creating a walled-off Eden and Microsoft creating a walled-off Hell in the 90's. They get treated differently (by us etc) not because the walled-off monopolistic behavior is different, but because one is solid, and one is hell...

mvgoogler 15y ago
"one is solid, and one is hell" I guess that's the crux of where we disagree. I think both Apple products and Microsoft products have their strengths and their weaknesses. Both are solid in many ways and both are hell in other ways. MS products work really well for a lot of people. Nothing wrong with that. Mac's really resonate with some people. That's fine too. I'm not one of them.
- its_so_on 15y ago
  You're right, Windows DOES work really well for a lot of people. The Microsoft hate doesn't come from these people. In surveys, Microsoft is deemed "competitive", "best-in-class" and so on (by the masses). But the tech who have to administrate it prefer Linux. Windows caused them some huge headaches in the nineties. Now, starting about 2002 a lot of these same Linux-using tech guys switched over to Macs as a Unix. As Apple grew and grew, it did not completely piss off these same people. Now the Mac is becoming walled-off, but Apple gets a pass from these same sys admin type people where Microsoft doesn't. I agree with you that Windows means huge productivities for millions of businesses, and also that Macs really resonate with huge numbers of people, also millions. I also agree with the reason we're coming to an explanation, which is that Apple seems to get a pass on monopolistic behavior that we (tech people) railed on in the nineties. My attempt is to try to explain part of that.