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> I tend to favor republicans more because they generally are more pro-business. This POV is very hard to support today. Both parties give full throated suppor

> I tend to favor republicans more because they generally are more pro-business. This POV is very hard to support today. Both parties give full throated support to "business" and only disagree on implementation details.

monero-xmr 4y ago
On its face that sounds right but when I look at my priorities the boosters are mostly republicans
- ambicapter 4y ago
  What are your priorities?
  - monero-xmr 4y ago
    My priorities are not popular on HN. My username provides one, oil and gas is another, educational choice is yet another. Taxation is theft, etc. etc.
    - thfuran 4y ago
      >Taxation is theft, I hope you refrain from using stolen property like roads, parks, and GPS.
- KerrAvon 4y ago
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  - kortilla 4y ago
    Why would you think that it is? Is that even considered intellectual discourse in your circles? “People I disagree with are fascists” is not a good position to take in a debate if you’re actually looking for a discussion.
    - epgui 4y ago
      Normally I’d agree with you, but…
    - revscat 4y ago
      You can’t say you favor fascists and then get upset when called out for doing so.
      - kortilla 4y ago
        Nobody said they favored fascists. If you think “supporting republicans” == “supporting fascists”, you’re an uninformed idiot. It means you have never actually conversed with a centrist who has voted Republican or you have ignored literally everything they said.
  - adolph 4y ago
    The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Whether the respondent answers yes or no, they will admit to having a wife and having beaten her at some time in the past. Thus, these facts are presupposed by the question . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
- revscat 4y ago
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  - TexanFeller 4y ago
    > None of the priorities the modern republican party has are anything other than destructive, murderous, and frankly fascist. The Republican party has some yuuge problems and was bigly damaged by the orange president, but statements like you just made are almost always wrong and a sign that your news source is propaganda, not news.
    - rnk 4y ago
      Their two leading candidates to run on behalf of the party for president, have some very anti -democratic tendencies and goals. Taking away choice of reading certain books, avoiding discussions of the "slavery unpleasantries", or destroying federal institutions that stabilize our government, those actions are not going to help business in general, main Street or Wall Street. Democrats are very flawed in themselves but they're not trying to take away social security, Medicare. They went to slightly increase taxes on rich people to keep Medicare going. They want to invest in infrastructure. I just don't know what the Republican strategies are to help these things.
  - unclenoriega 4y ago
    It's hard to imagine until you remember some people value money over democracy and human rights.
adamredwoods 4y ago
Both want businesses to thrive, but Republicans want all obstacles removed from business growth, and tend to ignore paths of sustainable growth. Republicans also push for lower taxes, which makes sense if one is wealthy and doesn't need to rely on an external support system. The odd part comes from the package-deal associated with Republicans: right-wing extremists. Democrats have been okay keeping extreme left-wing out of most policies, but Republicans seem to be increasing acceptance.
- unclenoriega 4y ago
  > The odd part comes from the package-deal associated with Republicans: right-wing extremists. Democrats have been okay keeping extreme left-wing out of most policies, but Republicans seem to be increasing acceptance. My theory on this is that Republicans from roughly the 80s or maybe a little before got too good with the propaganda. Because of that and the loose party system we have in the US, people who grew up on conservative propaganda are now prominent elected officials and the cycle reinforces itself. Either that or it's just grifters who have realized there is no bottom with a substantial portion of "the base". It's probably a combination.

monero-xmr 4y ago

On its face that sounds right but when I look at my priorities the boosters are mostly republicans

ambicapter 4y ago
What are your priorities?
- monero-xmr 4y ago
  My priorities are not popular on HN. My username provides one, oil and gas is another, educational choice is yet another. Taxation is theft, etc. etc.
  - thfuran 4y ago
    >Taxation is theft, I hope you refrain from using stolen property like roads, parks, and GPS.
KerrAvon 4y ago
[flagged]
- kortilla 4y ago
  Why would you think that it is? Is that even considered intellectual discourse in your circles? “People I disagree with are fascists” is not a good position to take in a debate if you’re actually looking for a discussion.
  - epgui 4y ago
    Normally I’d agree with you, but…
  - revscat 4y ago
    You can’t say you favor fascists and then get upset when called out for doing so.
    - kortilla 4y ago
      Nobody said they favored fascists. If you think “supporting republicans” == “supporting fascists”, you’re an uninformed idiot. It means you have never actually conversed with a centrist who has voted Republican or you have ignored literally everything they said.
- adolph 4y ago
  The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Whether the respondent answers yes or no, they will admit to having a wife and having beaten her at some time in the past. Thus, these facts are presupposed by the question . . . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
revscat 4y ago
[flagged]
- TexanFeller 4y ago
  > None of the priorities the modern republican party has are anything other than destructive, murderous, and frankly fascist. The Republican party has some yuuge problems and was bigly damaged by the orange president, but statements like you just made are almost always wrong and a sign that your news source is propaganda, not news.
  - rnk 4y ago
    Their two leading candidates to run on behalf of the party for president, have some very anti -democratic tendencies and goals. Taking away choice of reading certain books, avoiding discussions of the "slavery unpleasantries", or destroying federal institutions that stabilize our government, those actions are not going to help business in general, main Street or Wall Street. Democrats are very flawed in themselves but they're not trying to take away social security, Medicare. They went to slightly increase taxes on rich people to keep Medicare going. They want to invest in infrastructure. I just don't know what the Republican strategies are to help these things.
- unclenoriega 4y ago
  It's hard to imagine until you remember some people value money over democracy and human rights.

adamredwoods 4y ago

Both want businesses to thrive, but Republicans want all obstacles removed from business growth, and tend to ignore paths of sustainable growth. Republicans also push for lower taxes, which makes sense if one is wealthy and doesn't need to rely on an external support system. The odd part comes from the package-deal associated with Republicans: right-wing extremists. Democrats have been okay keeping extreme left-wing out of most policies, but Republicans seem to be increasing acceptance.

unclenoriega 4y ago
> The odd part comes from the package-deal associated with Republicans: right-wing extremists. Democrats have been okay keeping extreme left-wing out of most policies, but Republicans seem to be increasing acceptance. My theory on this is that Republicans from roughly the 80s or maybe a little before got too good with the propaganda. Because of that and the loose party system we have in the US, people who grew up on conservative propaganda are now prominent elected officials and the cycle reinforces itself. Either that or it's just grifters who have realized there is no bottom with a substantial portion of "the base". It's probably a combination.