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Even if passed, I suspect the same complaints will be made. Time is just a standard. It all depends on what you are accustomed to.

• AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  Standard time is fine. Daylight savings time is fine. Stop switching between them. Pick one and stick with it. It's not number on the clock. It's the switching.
  • s1artibartfast 4y ago
    You switch the clocks 2x per year, or you switch every schedule that operates on them 2x per year. People would still have to deal with the change either way.
    • sirwhinesalot 4y ago
      You don't need to change any schedule.
      • s1artibartfast 4y ago
        Sure, it isn't mandatory , but people will want to because they don't like getting up 3 hours before dawn to take their kids to school and go to work.
        • jameshart 4y ago
          I don’t like working through for hours after sunset in the middle of winter but I suck it up and do it. In northern latitudes there aren’t enough daylight hours for a full working day to be between sunrise and sunset. That’s the immutable constraint - everything else is to deal with that.
        • pwinnski 4y ago
          Okay, I generally agree with you, but it's hard to see how a change (er, lack of change) of one hour on clocks suddenly results in "3 hours before dawn." The hyperbole doesn't help, IMO. Also, we see frequent posts here on HN about how schools ought to start later overall, for all students, so it seems reasonable to think that school could be made to start well after sunrise for everyone all year long.
          • s1artibartfast 4y ago
            The thing is we know exactly what time change does. It moves the clock back 1 hour for 6 months of the year. This reduces the difference between school start and sunrise by one hour. Making school start Larter in general is a hard problem because there is only one real option and nobody likes it
• shagie 4y ago
  From last year... https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/ https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-perman... https://wapo.st/3FcsPE0 https://wapo.st/3FcsPE0 https://www.npr.org/2022/03/19/1087280464/the-u-s-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-1970s-then-quickly-rejected- https://www.npr.org/2022/03/19/1087280464/the-u-s-tried-perm... It takes about a generation for people to forget about how bad the DST approach is. If it is to be locked into a time, standard time is better... but not as good for states further south where sunset is later. Winter solstice: Where Sunrise Sunset Minneapolis 7:48 AM 4:34 PM Houston 7:15 AM 5:27 PM Shifting the time to sunrise at 8:48 and sunset at 5:34 in Minneapolis lacks the impact of shifting sunset to 6:27 PM in Houston.
  • starkd 4y ago
    I fail to see what difference in impact you mean. Sure, Houston gets a later sunset, but it is still only a relative gain of an hour. Minneapolis gets the same adjustment. How is the adjustment's impact on people's lives any different?
    • shagie 4y ago
      In northern latitudes, the switch to daylight savings all year round means that you drive to work in complete darkness and get home just after sunset. There is no additional hour of "after work, enjoy the still light evening". The change to permanent daylight savings time has much more support in southern latitudes where the more light after 5pm and tourism has a larger impact on the local economies. (another article about the "it didn't go as we planned") https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/01/archives/senate-votes-return-to-standard-time-for-four-months-and-sends-bill.html https://www.nytimes.com/1974/10/01/archives/senate-votes-ret...