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This is just make hipsters get into old point and shoot digital cameras... good thing I kept my Canon A540. All the subtle trickery manipulation that the smart

This is just make hipsters get into old point and shoot digital cameras... good thing I kept my Canon A540. All the subtle trickery manipulation that the smart phone's doing to reality is concerning. Smoothing people's faces, making their eyes pop, enhancing the shit out of the colours, and now plopping fake objects overtop of the real ones. Future concerns of this technology should range from a low-key disconnect from reality, to the complete inability to photograph certain objects or locations. Imagine dusting off a 30 year old digital camera, finding some AA batteries to put in it, snap a selfie and then realizing just how ugly we all are and how washed out the polluted world actually looks without a bunch of narcissism-pandering enhancements.

germinalphrase 4y ago
“Future concerns of this technology should range from a low-key disconnect from reality…” This phrase could cast a broadening net with each year’s new tech.
seydor 4y ago
> Smoothing people's faces, making their eyes pop, enhancing the shit out of the colours, Our brains do far worse stuff with our memories. Not sure how relevant 'high fidelity' is to people who mostly use phones for memories
- Retric 4y ago
  I regularly take photos of text etc because I am not going to remember it. If a photo of a config password is AI fucked into showing the wrong digits, there’s a real problem.
- worrycue 4y ago
  That’s what photos used to be good for. They don’t fudge stuff like our brains.
  - paulcole 4y ago
    What about and white photos though?
    - troyvit 4y ago
      Their representation was consistent for one thing. For another it was well known that a) the world isn't black and white and b) b&w is just the tech we have right now. For a third thing, once color came out, black and white was still popular because it was a known art form that exposed characteristics of a scene which a color photograph might miss. So it was fudging images in a way that was predictable. Compare this to AI/ML-manipulated photos that aren't labelled as such. In this case we no longer know if it's our brain fudging a picture or our camera, so we are starting to lose an arbiter of truth. Side-rant but it'll be weird when this makes it into high-end cameras that save RAW images. Will RAW still be "raw?" I don't know enough to say.
    - worrycue 4y ago
      Black and white photos are just missing information - specifically color. No new made up information is introduced.
sorenjan 4y ago
Not sure about hipsters, but it's apparently somewhat of a trend with young people. "The Hottest Gen Z Gadget Is a 20-Year-Old Digital Camera Young people are opting for point-and-shoots and blurry photos." https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/07/technology/digital-cameras-olympus-canon.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/07/technology/digital-camera...
- javajosh 4y ago
  They are realizing that these things are all toys and fashion so you might as well save money and just buy old stuff and above all take photos. I think it's great. It's the exact opposite of the person who spends all their time gear shopping and never using the gear.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    I can highly recommend older Nikon DSLRs and older AF-D or manual focus AI-s lenses. Youbhet full frame bodies, the awesome D700 for example, and a very decent set of lenses rivaling the holly trinary for around the same price you pay for a Z50 with a kit lens. Nothing wrong with a Z50, it is a great camera. But the old, used gear is just such better value IMHO. Ai-s lenses are getting more expensive so since a couple of years so. The remaining budget can go into going to nice places to shoot nice photos, and to print them nicely and large enough to put on your wall choice. I picked Nikon, but I assume Canon works as well.
    - javajosh 4y ago
      DSLRs are insane value right now as everyone jumps to mirrorless. Which is just silly fashion, IMHO. (Or, if you're like me and prefer optical viewfinders, kind of important). I'm jazzed that people are abandoning things like cds, physical books, and DSLRs - more for me. An aside: I can't believe people have so quickly gone from "geez should I even shop online" to "hey lets put my whole live online and burn the physical copies". That happened in the last 20 years. No engineer or risk analyst in the world could say this is a good idea. Computers, software, and the internet need to be stable for 100+ years to be relied on to that degree, IMHO.
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vel0city 4y ago
I love my Canon AE-1 but dang it's expensive to actually use. The G9x Mark II, Sony RX100, Panasonic LUMIX and similar 1" sensor cameras are awesome though and I don't think they've gotten too crazy with computational photography. I imagine some color processing modes might be doing a bit of work though.

germinalphrase 4y ago

“Future concerns of this technology should range from a low-key disconnect from reality…” This phrase could cast a broadening net with each year’s new tech.

seydor 4y ago

> Smoothing people's faces, making their eyes pop, enhancing the shit out of the colours, Our brains do far worse stuff with our memories. Not sure how relevant 'high fidelity' is to people who mostly use phones for memories

Retric 4y ago
I regularly take photos of text etc because I am not going to remember it. If a photo of a config password is AI fucked into showing the wrong digits, there’s a real problem.
worrycue 4y ago
That’s what photos used to be good for. They don’t fudge stuff like our brains.
- paulcole 4y ago
  What about and white photos though?
  - troyvit 4y ago
    Their representation was consistent for one thing. For another it was well known that a) the world isn't black and white and b) b&w is just the tech we have right now. For a third thing, once color came out, black and white was still popular because it was a known art form that exposed characteristics of a scene which a color photograph might miss. So it was fudging images in a way that was predictable. Compare this to AI/ML-manipulated photos that aren't labelled as such. In this case we no longer know if it's our brain fudging a picture or our camera, so we are starting to lose an arbiter of truth. Side-rant but it'll be weird when this makes it into high-end cameras that save RAW images. Will RAW still be "raw?" I don't know enough to say.
  - worrycue 4y ago
    Black and white photos are just missing information - specifically color. No new made up information is introduced.

sorenjan 4y ago

Not sure about hipsters, but it's apparently somewhat of a trend with young people. "The Hottest Gen Z Gadget Is a 20-Year-Old Digital Camera Young people are opting for point-and-shoots and blurry photos." https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/07/technology/digital-cameras-olympus-canon.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/07/technology/digital-camera...

javajosh 4y ago
They are realizing that these things are all toys and fashion so you might as well save money and just buy old stuff and above all take photos. I think it's great. It's the exact opposite of the person who spends all their time gear shopping and never using the gear.
- hef19898 4y ago
  I can highly recommend older Nikon DSLRs and older AF-D or manual focus AI-s lenses. Youbhet full frame bodies, the awesome D700 for example, and a very decent set of lenses rivaling the holly trinary for around the same price you pay for a Z50 with a kit lens. Nothing wrong with a Z50, it is a great camera. But the old, used gear is just such better value IMHO. Ai-s lenses are getting more expensive so since a couple of years so. The remaining budget can go into going to nice places to shoot nice photos, and to print them nicely and large enough to put on your wall choice. I picked Nikon, but I assume Canon works as well.
  - javajosh 4y ago
    DSLRs are insane value right now as everyone jumps to mirrorless. Which is just silly fashion, IMHO. (Or, if you're like me and prefer optical viewfinders, kind of important). I'm jazzed that people are abandoning things like cds, physical books, and DSLRs - more for me. An aside: I can't believe people have so quickly gone from "geez should I even shop online" to "hey lets put my whole live online and burn the physical copies". That happened in the last 20 years. No engineer or risk analyst in the world could say this is a good idea. Computers, software, and the internet need to be stable for 100+ years to be relied on to that degree, IMHO.

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vel0city 4y ago

I love my Canon AE-1 but dang it's expensive to actually use. The G9x Mark II, Sony RX100, Panasonic LUMIX and similar 1" sensor cameras are awesome though and I don't think they've gotten too crazy with computational photography. I imagine some color processing modes might be doing a bit of work though.