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First off, the actual scientists, like the ones at the IPCC say climate change will only slow growth, it won’t ruin us. Your point - is basically what most wel

by zpeti 4y ago

First off, the actual scientists, like the ones at the IPCC say climate change will only slow growth, it won’t ruin us. Your point - is basically what most well off (and since you’re on HN I assume you’re better off than 80-90% of the world) are now saying about climate change, screw the poor, they need to have expensive energy, expensive food, and according to you no affordable housing. Why? Because you think the world will be ruined, because that’s what your media is telling you, and you haven’t even looked at the scientific facts on this. You know, maybe you should give up all your possession and live on rice and beans for the next 10 years, knowing you’ve done your bit for the climate, and then see how you feel. Edit: removed personal attack at the end. It was unnecessary.

dasil003 4y ago
I was with you until the last sentence. Why the vitriol? This is fundamentally a hard problem and I have a hard time defining an attitude towards climate change that I feel 100% good about.
crtified 4y ago
That's a whole lot of traits and mindsets you've unfairly assigned to me. And that's part of the perennial problem with discussion nowadays. It's near impossible to speak without being pigeonholed and caricatured : "omg! you dared to tangentially hint that prioritising building comes with some downsides! one of them! you must, therefore, also hold this, this, this, and this unfavourable worldview! how horrid you are!!". It's all a bit silly. And ironic, because I'm actually disabled, and on a really tiny income within the scale of my country. I already make my difference by living a low impact life, practicing what I preach. I'm in my 40's and I've never owned a car, and it's not because I can't drive. I consume so much less than my countrypeople, in general in life. While my friend is earning, and consuming, $150K worth of "whatever" per year, goods, consumables, flights here and there for this and that luxury frivolity, raising his kids rich-person style, I'm living a simple life at home making a lot out of a little. There'll be no kids for me. Screw the poor?? I am one of the poor. Regardless, I still see the basic Occam's reality that our species as it stands (and with massive inertia) is currently saturating this planet's resources in many different ways. And the mindset that we can fix everything by getting busy will always be somewhat paradoxical. Because, as you point out, everything we need is already right there, stockpiled in the hands of a greedy minority.
CatWChainsaw 4y ago
The IPCC is famously conservative in their estimates of what impacts climate change will have.

by zpeti 4y ago

dasil003 4y ago

I was with you until the last sentence. Why the vitriol? This is fundamentally a hard problem and I have a hard time defining an attitude towards climate change that I feel 100% good about.

crtified 4y ago

That's a whole lot of traits and mindsets you've unfairly assigned to me. And that's part of the perennial problem with discussion nowadays. It's near impossible to speak without being pigeonholed and caricatured : "omg! you dared to tangentially hint that prioritising building comes with some downsides! one of them! you must, therefore, also hold this, this, this, and this unfavourable worldview! how horrid you are!!". It's all a bit silly. And ironic, because I'm actually disabled, and on a really tiny income within the scale of my country. I already make my difference by living a low impact life, practicing what I preach. I'm in my 40's and I've never owned a car, and it's not because I can't drive. I consume so much less than my countrypeople, in general in life. While my friend is earning, and consuming, $150K worth of "whatever" per year, goods, consumables, flights here and there for this and that luxury frivolity, raising his kids rich-person style, I'm living a simple life at home making a lot out of a little. There'll be no kids for me. Screw the poor?? I am one of the poor. Regardless, I still see the basic Occam's reality that our species as it stands (and with massive inertia) is currently saturating this planet's resources in many different ways. And the mindset that we can fix everything by getting busy will always be somewhat paradoxical. Because, as you point out, everything we need is already right there, stockpiled in the hands of a greedy minority.

CatWChainsaw 4y ago

The IPCC is famously conservative in their estimates of what impacts climate change will have.