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A somewhat better dichotomy, faulty as all dichotomies, I suppose would be: No Magic Programming and Plenty of Magic Programming (or even All the Magic Programm

A somewhat better dichotomy, faulty as all dichotomies, I suppose would be: No Magic Programming and Plenty of Magic Programming (or even All the Magic Programming). Where by magic one understands the expectation of the developer for the system to "just work": from the CSS developer writing a line such as `color: red;` and having no second thoughts to the browser engine developer knowing/caring about all the layers, from parsing to composition, to actually display a red colored text. But even here, there is also a spectrum: should the browser engine developer know about the actual pixels of the display, and the "electrocoagulation of Ag nanoparticles between silicon nanostructures that support Mie resonances" [1], and so forth: the layers never stop, hence maybe it's more important actually caring about the product as a whole, in all its effects and side effects, a sort of omoiyari [2], as the Japanese would say. [1] https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/nanoph-2022-0646/html?lang=en https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/nanoph-2022-0... [2] omoiyari: 'give your thoughts and take an action on it', English: https://youtu.be/KJ5kcEQi934?t=71 https://youtu.be/KJ5kcEQi934?t=71 Japanese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16P_t4ApyhI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16P_t4ApyhI

palata 4y ago
Or Copy-Pastable from StackOverflow Programming and Not-So-Copy-Pastable from StackOverflow Programming? Just brainstorming here xD.
lenzm 4y ago
I think this is a different dichotomy - declarative vs imperative. Generally, the declarative languages have all the magic implemented in an imperative engine.
- ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
  Sure, but the context is very important: you can use Rust to control the DOM from WASM [1] and then you can use Haskell to write a load balancer [2]. [1] https://rustwasm.github.io/wasm-bindgen/examples/dom.html https://rustwasm.github.io/wasm-bindgen/examples/dom.html [2] https://thewagner.net/blog/2019/01/30/load-balancer https://thewagner.net/blog/2019/01/30/load-balancer (off-topic: Rob Pike's Concurrency is not Parallelism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV9rvDllKEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV9rvDllKEg)

palata 4y ago

Or Copy-Pastable from StackOverflow Programming and Not-So-Copy-Pastable from StackOverflow Programming? Just brainstorming here xD.

lenzm 4y ago

I think this is a different dichotomy - declarative vs imperative. Generally, the declarative languages have all the magic implemented in an imperative engine.

ly3xqhl8g9 4y ago
Sure, but the context is very important: you can use Rust to control the DOM from WASM [1] and then you can use Haskell to write a load balancer [2]. [1] https://rustwasm.github.io/wasm-bindgen/examples/dom.html https://rustwasm.github.io/wasm-bindgen/examples/dom.html [2] https://thewagner.net/blog/2019/01/30/load-balancer https://thewagner.net/blog/2019/01/30/load-balancer (off-topic: Rob Pike's Concurrency is not Parallelism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV9rvDllKEg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV9rvDllKEg)