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I'm starting to hate programming discussions, after you've read a lot of them they're predictable, boring as hell and you can argue endlessly just because you v

I'm starting to hate programming discussions, after you've read a lot of them they're predictable, boring as hell and you can argue endlessly just because you value a little bit different things. This discussions is yet another, nothing special way of saying: context matters. You have a list of requirements of what you want to achieve, some of them do appear during development and you develop against this. I have completely no idea why "software part of the internet" is losing their shit over those 2 guys arguing since it doesn't seem to be "deeper" than 2 random people arguing in some random comment chain.

javaunsafe2019 4y ago
This. Thank you. Also the amount of claims and self confidence in this thread by people not even able to back their claims with examples is hilarious imo.
ctx_matters 4y ago
>context matters I've wrote about my observations with the same conclusion https://trolololo.xyz/programming-discussions https://trolololo.xyz/programming-discussions >I've started thinking about it and realized that people arguing on all previously mentioned platforms tend to have various backgrounds >Web developers, desktop developers, system programmers, cloud engineers, people working at startups, people working in corporations, beginners, experienced and known in the industry people, FP/OOP fans, self-taught, people after electrical engineering/computer science/mathematics, and a looot of more. >So, what's the difference? I'd say context and the context is unfortunately lost in those discussions because all you see is just somebody's comment and that's it. Nickname very often doesn't tell you anything (except on forums after you spend some time there) >And they all are right (or may if you want to argue :)), but very often that information about their respective domains is lost and the argument is around some "generic code base" or some "average project" which is different for everybody.
bsaul 4y ago
you've probably never worked in an average enterprise java shop. The religious refactoring of any kind of software to its most generic and decoupled design, under the name of "cleanliness", is quite impressive. it's quite important that one of the most well known figure recognize that those designs have costs in terms of performance and are not suitable anywhere.
- kaba0 4y ago
  That hasn’t been generally true for more than a decade. Where they still do it, they just have a shitty architect, and can and do happen regardless of tech stack.
RoyalSloth 4y ago
Tab vs spaces war has cooled off, so we have to start a new one. A: If I do X, then this happens... B: Yeah but I don't care about X. A: You are not a professional if you don't care about what I care about. Now that this debate has raised some dust, I guess Bob has already started writing the "Clean Performance" book in order to continue to milk the series and stay in the spotlight.
- u02sgb 4y ago
  Sounds like a "no true Scotsman" argument

javaunsafe2019 4y ago

This. Thank you. Also the amount of claims and self confidence in this thread by people not even able to back their claims with examples is hilarious imo.

ctx_matters 4y ago

>context matters I've wrote about my observations with the same conclusion https://trolololo.xyz/programming-discussions https://trolololo.xyz/programming-discussions >I've started thinking about it and realized that people arguing on all previously mentioned platforms tend to have various backgrounds >Web developers, desktop developers, system programmers, cloud engineers, people working at startups, people working in corporations, beginners, experienced and known in the industry people, FP/OOP fans, self-taught, people after electrical engineering/computer science/mathematics, and a looot of more. >So, what's the difference? I'd say context and the context is unfortunately lost in those discussions because all you see is just somebody's comment and that's it. Nickname very often doesn't tell you anything (except on forums after you spend some time there) >And they all are right (or may if you want to argue :)), but very often that information about their respective domains is lost and the argument is around some "generic code base" or some "average project" which is different for everybody.

bsaul 4y ago

you've probably never worked in an average enterprise java shop. The religious refactoring of any kind of software to its most generic and decoupled design, under the name of "cleanliness", is quite impressive. it's quite important that one of the most well known figure recognize that those designs have costs in terms of performance and are not suitable anywhere.

kaba0 4y ago
That hasn’t been generally true for more than a decade. Where they still do it, they just have a shitty architect, and can and do happen regardless of tech stack.

RoyalSloth 4y ago

Tab vs spaces war has cooled off, so we have to start a new one. A: If I do X, then this happens... B: Yeah but I don't care about X. A: You are not a professional if you don't care about what I care about. Now that this debate has raised some dust, I guess Bob has already started writing the "Clean Performance" book in order to continue to milk the series and stay in the spotlight.

u02sgb 4y ago
Sounds like a "no true Scotsman" argument