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This charter and the constitution was imposed unilaterally, and adopted at night without the presence of Quebec representatives. So.. can't really blame us for

This charter and the constitution was imposed unilaterally, and adopted at night without the presence of Quebec representatives. So.. can't really blame us for not being in love with it..

version_five 4y ago
Can't blame Quebec for disagreeing that people are entitled to basic freedoms? (I'd encourage people to read the charter and Quebec's concerns, Quebec objects to it because it doesn't allow them to discriminate against foreigners, there's not some legitimate concern) Some background https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/28/quebec-canada-nation-legault-constitution/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/28/quebec-ca...
- rhaway84773 4y ago
  Unfortunately people agreeing to sacrifice their own rights in favor of more government overreach as long as it’s marketed as hating on the other (usually immigrants, but also, for example, black people in the US) is not unique to Quebec, and is distressingly popular across the world.
- jpambrun 4y ago
  Unbound rights means french will disappear along with a culture. For long and still today, french speaking citizens in Quebec earn less than the English minority. The plan was always to assimilate us, and it's mostly working, but you can't blame us for pushing back.
rhaway84773 4y ago
An alternative way of stating this is that the Quebec government was unilaterally required to give its citizens rights. The people of Quebec may be unhappy with the mechanism but surely the principle of protecting people from government overreach should not be in dispute.
- jpambrun 4y ago
  The Quebec gouvernement is limiting some individual right to protect the culture and language. It probably hard to understand form outside when you are not seeing your culture completely swallowed by Canada and America.
PhasmaFelis 4y ago
I don't know the full story behind this; but if, as you say, the national government had to go behind Quebec's back to enact basic civil liberties, that says more about Quebec than the government. Using it as a defense does more harm than good to your case.
bawolff 4y ago
It was adopted without quebec, but its not like it was done in secret. Quebec was present for the negotiations.
- jpambrun 4y ago
  In secret, during the night, when the Quebec representatives were sleeping. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuit_des_Longs_Couteaux_(Qu%C3%A9bec) https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuit_des_Longs_Couteaux_(Qu%...
  - bawolff 4y ago
    Well i guess this proves that Godwin's law was alive and well pre internet. However, fair is fair - that was more secretive than i was aware, although i would still say that quebec was actively participating in the negotiations up to that point.

This charter and the constitution was imposed unilaterally, and adopted at night without the presence of Quebec representatives. So.. can't really blame us for not being in love with it..

version_five 4y ago

Can't blame Quebec for disagreeing that people are entitled to basic freedoms? (I'd encourage people to read the charter and Quebec's concerns, Quebec objects to it because it doesn't allow them to discriminate against foreigners, there's not some legitimate concern) Some background https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/28/quebec-canada-nation-legault-constitution/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/05/28/quebec-ca...

rhaway84773 4y ago
Unfortunately people agreeing to sacrifice their own rights in favor of more government overreach as long as it’s marketed as hating on the other (usually immigrants, but also, for example, black people in the US) is not unique to Quebec, and is distressingly popular across the world.
jpambrun 4y ago
Unbound rights means french will disappear along with a culture. For long and still today, french speaking citizens in Quebec earn less than the English minority. The plan was always to assimilate us, and it's mostly working, but you can't blame us for pushing back.

rhaway84773 4y ago

An alternative way of stating this is that the Quebec government was unilaterally required to give its citizens rights. The people of Quebec may be unhappy with the mechanism but surely the principle of protecting people from government overreach should not be in dispute.

jpambrun 4y ago
The Quebec gouvernement is limiting some individual right to protect the culture and language. It probably hard to understand form outside when you are not seeing your culture completely swallowed by Canada and America.

PhasmaFelis 4y ago

I don't know the full story behind this; but if, as you say, the national government had to go behind Quebec's back to enact basic civil liberties, that says more about Quebec than the government. Using it as a defense does more harm than good to your case.

bawolff 4y ago

It was adopted without quebec, but its not like it was done in secret. Quebec was present for the negotiations.

jpambrun 4y ago
In secret, during the night, when the Quebec representatives were sleeping. https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuit_des_Longs_Couteaux_(Qu%C3%A9bec) https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuit_des_Longs_Couteaux_(Qu%...
- bawolff 4y ago
  Well i guess this proves that Godwin's law was alive and well pre internet. However, fair is fair - that was more secretive than i was aware, although i would still say that quebec was actively participating in the negotiations up to that point.