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https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/riots-at-apple-plant-in-india-cause-7-million-in-damage/ https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/riots-at-apple-plant-in-india-... this is

https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/riots-at-apple-plant-in-india-cause-7-million-in-damage/ https://nypost.com/2020/12/15/riots-at-apple-plant-in-india-... this is what apple does. they use their clout, then they turn their back and play ignorant whilst placing unrealistic demands on the subcontractors who then place those demand on the labour. from: https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/14/only-half-of-indian-iphone-casings-meet-standards/ https://www.macrumors.com/2023/02/14/only-half-of-indian-iph... > 'Apple engineers told that Chinese iPhone suppliers and government officials have a "whatever it takes" approach to win iPhone orders, work was often completed weeks ahead of schedule at "inexplicable speed". In India, [we] are not running at this pace. "There just isn't a sense of urgency," one Apple engineer remarked.'

fnordpiglet 4y ago
I like when people use words like inexplicable for things for which they know exactly how it’s achieved, but want to pretend they don’t because the answer is disturbing.
- steve_adams_86 4y ago
  iPhones are not worth that answer. Nor is any other electronic. I wish this was escapable somehow, but my employer literally requires and pays for this equipment. To abstain from employment would be crazy – it wouldn't send a message to Apple. What the hell can someone do?
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
    I think a general strike is desperately needed. Seeing Biden do a complete about face on unions to enrich the robber barons that run domestic rail was the last sign I needed. Unfortunately the people who would benefit the most from striking are those who either drink the propaganda from conservative outlets or are otherwise marginalized. Felons, people on probation, green card workers, the poorly educated, chronically overworked, etc.
  - fnordpiglet 4y ago
    Corporate legal requirement to maximize shareholder value makes their behavior gas like, they’ll expand to fill all possible space and permeate any advantageous cracks. It’s counter productive and contrary to reality to pick on any one company for behaving as they’re legally obligated to do. The issue isn’t apple, the issue is governments that allow behavior we can’t accept by corporations. The way to prevent a gas from permeating spaces you don’t want it in is to seal the space, not rage against hydrogen.
    - wahnfrieden 4y ago
      have you considered that both state and capital are the problem?
      - fnordpiglet 4y ago
        Capital follows the state. The fact that capital also often guides the state is a flaw of the state. Capital is just people doing the job they were hired to do, often in a corporate framework, legally obliged to maximize profit and shareholder value. There’s definitely a feedback cycle, but the source of all control and governance is the guys with the guns and prisons.
        wahnfrieden 4y ago
        edit: sorry, misunderstood implications from your pro state and capital position
        fnordpiglet 4y ago
        Whaa? I’m stating the opposite. I’m saying the state needs to sack up and do it’s job.
        411111111111111 4y ago
        > Capital is just people doing the job they were hired to do No, that's the people that are employed by the capital. If you do entertain this worldview, then at the very least do it correctly. The few people usually described as capital are the owners of the vast majority of wealth in the developed world. And they're most assuredly not following the state. They're constantly pushing for unequal legislation and exploit as much as they can get away with. That's how they gain this kind of wealth
snozolli 4y ago
this is what apple does. they use their clout, then they turn their back and play ignorant whilst placing unrealistic demands on the subcontractors While making $30 billion in profit for the first quarter of 2023. Apparently, this disappointed Wall Street, because they made $34.6 billion in Q1 2022. So, time to squeeze the vise on the little people. Also, they have $165 billion in cash and securities. Maybe they could just physically crush underperforming workers using gold bars.
- lostlogin 4y ago
  > vise Alternative spelling of vice. News to me.
  - georgebcrawford 4y ago
    It's the American spelling.
    - deafpiano 4y ago
      As a American, I write it as vice.
      - vondur 4y ago
        A vice is a bad habit, a vise is a tool that clamps things together.
        lostlogin 4y ago
        *in American English. Both are ‘vice’ in English English (UK/NZ/AU) as far as I’m aware. ‘Vice’ in American English, still has alternative meanings, like ‘vice president’.
        glogla 4y ago
        > ‘Vice’ in American English, still has alternative meanings, like ‘vice president’. Does that count as English? I though it is borrowed Latin, like de facto, et cetera or per se.

fnordpiglet 4y ago

I like when people use words like inexplicable for things for which they know exactly how it’s achieved, but want to pretend they don’t because the answer is disturbing.

steve_adams_86 4y ago
iPhones are not worth that answer. Nor is any other electronic. I wish this was escapable somehow, but my employer literally requires and pays for this equipment. To abstain from employment would be crazy – it wouldn't send a message to Apple. What the hell can someone do?
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 4y ago
  I think a general strike is desperately needed. Seeing Biden do a complete about face on unions to enrich the robber barons that run domestic rail was the last sign I needed. Unfortunately the people who would benefit the most from striking are those who either drink the propaganda from conservative outlets or are otherwise marginalized. Felons, people on probation, green card workers, the poorly educated, chronically overworked, etc.
- fnordpiglet 4y ago
  Corporate legal requirement to maximize shareholder value makes their behavior gas like, they’ll expand to fill all possible space and permeate any advantageous cracks. It’s counter productive and contrary to reality to pick on any one company for behaving as they’re legally obligated to do. The issue isn’t apple, the issue is governments that allow behavior we can’t accept by corporations. The way to prevent a gas from permeating spaces you don’t want it in is to seal the space, not rage against hydrogen.
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    have you considered that both state and capital are the problem?
    - fnordpiglet 4y ago
      Capital follows the state. The fact that capital also often guides the state is a flaw of the state. Capital is just people doing the job they were hired to do, often in a corporate framework, legally obliged to maximize profit and shareholder value. There’s definitely a feedback cycle, but the source of all control and governance is the guys with the guns and prisons.
      - wahnfrieden 4y ago
        edit: sorry, misunderstood implications from your pro state and capital position
        fnordpiglet 4y ago
        Whaa? I’m stating the opposite. I’m saying the state needs to sack up and do it’s job.
      - 411111111111111 4y ago
        > Capital is just people doing the job they were hired to do No, that's the people that are employed by the capital. If you do entertain this worldview, then at the very least do it correctly. The few people usually described as capital are the owners of the vast majority of wealth in the developed world. And they're most assuredly not following the state. They're constantly pushing for unequal legislation and exploit as much as they can get away with. That's how they gain this kind of wealth

snozolli 4y ago

this is what apple does. they use their clout, then they turn their back and play ignorant whilst placing unrealistic demands on the subcontractors While making $30 billion in profit for the first quarter of 2023. Apparently, this disappointed Wall Street, because they made $34.6 billion in Q1 2022. So, time to squeeze the vise on the little people. Also, they have $165 billion in cash and securities. Maybe they could just physically crush underperforming workers using gold bars.

lostlogin 4y ago
> vise Alternative spelling of vice. News to me.
- georgebcrawford 4y ago
  It's the American spelling.
  - deafpiano 4y ago
    As a American, I write it as vice.
    - vondur 4y ago
      A vice is a bad habit, a vise is a tool that clamps things together.
      - lostlogin 4y ago
        *in American English. Both are ‘vice’ in English English (UK/NZ/AU) as far as I’m aware. ‘Vice’ in American English, still has alternative meanings, like ‘vice president’.
        glogla 4y ago
        > ‘Vice’ in American English, still has alternative meanings, like ‘vice president’. Does that count as English? I though it is borrowed Latin, like de facto, et cetera or per se.