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FSB shills are out in full force on HN on this one trying to discredit him with exceptional pilpul and deflection. I grew up in the Eastern Bloc and find his s

FSB shills are out in full force on HN on this one trying to discredit him with exceptional pilpul and deflection. I grew up in the Eastern Bloc and find his stories plausible. Everything Bezmenov said is true. Watch the entire interview.

j0hnyl 4y ago
Hasn't a lot of this guy's rhetoric and credentials been debunked over and over as a bit hyperbolic. I mean... the guy made a career out of selling fear?
- orangepurple 4y ago
  What career? He died a few years after this interview.
  - boomboomsubban 4y ago
    The career he had in the years before this interview and then in the remaining years before his untimely death? I'm not informed enough to say whether his entire career was USSR fear mongering, but dying doesn't mean you didn't have a career.
  - j0hnyl 4y ago
    I've done a lot of googling on this guy and either the truth is scrubbed, or I'm landing on soviet propaganda, OR there's not much evidence that he even worked for the KGB. The guy was a journalist and played up this narrative in order to get the attention of the public eye. I'm not saying that everything he said was bullshit. Do nation states at odds actively try to stabilize each other? Of course. But seems to me like he was more of a creative story teller than anything else.
    - wewxjfq 4y ago
      He studied foreign languages in the Soviet Union and worked abroad at the Soviet embassy - it's safe to say that he was a spy and not a journalist.
    - ikekkdcjkfke 4y ago
      Uh yeah, just boost topics on tik tok that favours your long term goals, if you control tik tok
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etiam 4y ago
> Watch the entire interview In fact, watch more! Here's some: https://archive.org/details/yuri_bezmenov_all_interviews_lectures_hq_1983_1984 https://archive.org/details/yuri_bezmenov_all_interviews_lec...
phendrenad2 4y ago
Ah yes the classic "everyone who disagrees with me is a shill" (non-)argument. Becoming all to prevalent on HN.
- twixfel 4y ago
  Elsewhere in this thread you say he shouldn't be listened to because he's a defector and would naturally be opposed to the USSR. So you're doing exactly the same thing that you criticise other people for.
  - the_af 4y ago
    You have to be out of your mind to believe HN is full of "FSB shills". Really, that kind of accusation ought to be banned on HN (and in fact, the posting guidelines strongly urge you to avoid them). Let me reiterate: it's entirely possible for intelligent, honest people who are not "FSB shills" or CCCP agents or North Korean moles to disagree with people here on matters related to Russia, China or North Korea. Or Cuba. Or Venezuela. Or whoever the US is ideologically at war with. Accusing others of being spies and shills is the stupidest of ad hominem attacks. PS: defectors, especially Soviet ones, have a poor track record and were very, very unreliable. Some are thought to have been Soviet plants with the goal of triggering paranoia and witch hunts. Others were self-aggrandizing liars.
  - phendrenad2 4y ago
    Shills exist, but not everyone in the universe other than you is a shill. This produces a difficulty in people's minds because people think in absolutes. They prefer to either ignore the existence of shills, or choose to believe that everyone who disagrees with them is a shill. The truth is somewhere inbetween, but it takes work to thinks things through on an individual level.

j0hnyl 4y ago

Hasn't a lot of this guy's rhetoric and credentials been debunked over and over as a bit hyperbolic. I mean... the guy made a career out of selling fear?

orangepurple 4y ago
What career? He died a few years after this interview.
- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  The career he had in the years before this interview and then in the remaining years before his untimely death? I'm not informed enough to say whether his entire career was USSR fear mongering, but dying doesn't mean you didn't have a career.
- j0hnyl 4y ago
  I've done a lot of googling on this guy and either the truth is scrubbed, or I'm landing on soviet propaganda, OR there's not much evidence that he even worked for the KGB. The guy was a journalist and played up this narrative in order to get the attention of the public eye. I'm not saying that everything he said was bullshit. Do nation states at odds actively try to stabilize each other? Of course. But seems to me like he was more of a creative story teller than anything else.
  - wewxjfq 4y ago
    He studied foreign languages in the Soviet Union and worked abroad at the Soviet embassy - it's safe to say that he was a spy and not a journalist.
  - ikekkdcjkfke 4y ago
    Uh yeah, just boost topics on tik tok that favours your long term goals, if you control tik tok
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etiam 4y ago

> Watch the entire interview In fact, watch more! Here's some: https://archive.org/details/yuri_bezmenov_all_interviews_lectures_hq_1983_1984 https://archive.org/details/yuri_bezmenov_all_interviews_lec...

phendrenad2 4y ago

Ah yes the classic "everyone who disagrees with me is a shill" (non-)argument. Becoming all to prevalent on HN.

twixfel 4y ago
Elsewhere in this thread you say he shouldn't be listened to because he's a defector and would naturally be opposed to the USSR. So you're doing exactly the same thing that you criticise other people for.
- the_af 4y ago
  You have to be out of your mind to believe HN is full of "FSB shills". Really, that kind of accusation ought to be banned on HN (and in fact, the posting guidelines strongly urge you to avoid them). Let me reiterate: it's entirely possible for intelligent, honest people who are not "FSB shills" or CCCP agents or North Korean moles to disagree with people here on matters related to Russia, China or North Korea. Or Cuba. Or Venezuela. Or whoever the US is ideologically at war with. Accusing others of being spies and shills is the stupidest of ad hominem attacks. PS: defectors, especially Soviet ones, have a poor track record and were very, very unreliable. Some are thought to have been Soviet plants with the goal of triggering paranoia and witch hunts. Others were self-aggrandizing liars.
- phendrenad2 4y ago
  Shills exist, but not everyone in the universe other than you is a shill. This produces a difficulty in people's minds because people think in absolutes. They prefer to either ignore the existence of shills, or choose to believe that everyone who disagrees with them is a shill. The truth is somewhere inbetween, but it takes work to thinks things through on an individual level.