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Or maybe the men are already being abused? Perhaps if there were working hour rules for everyone, wages would have to come up? The US has working hour regulat

Or maybe the men are already being abused? Perhaps if there were working hour rules for everyone, wages would have to come up? The US has working hour regulations, but I don't hear the workers complain that they are being stifled from working as much as the want.

dcow 4y ago
What's inherently abusive about a 12 hour work day? And you don't here complaints in the US because the US does not limit the amount of hours you can work in a day. It just says that companies must provide an unpaid break for more than 5 consecutive hours of work.
- AstixAndBelix 4y ago
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  - dcow 4y ago
    Then don't work 12 hours a day. Simple.
    - AstixAndBelix 4y ago
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      - dcow 4y ago
        What hyperbolic nonsense! For your comment to even begin to be taken seriously the majority of employers in India would have to de-facto require 12 hour work days. That's just not even remotely close to being true.
- akaike 4y ago
  If you want to dedicate your life completely to work, go ahead, but others maybe just want to work normal 9-5 jobs and have some free time for other activities
  - dcow 4y ago
    That's exactly how it is. Nobody requires you to have 12 hour availability. It's just allowed now for women like it has been for men.
- TaylorAlexander 4y ago
  I’m no expert on this but there’s a long history in the fight for an 8 hour work day. Many people (myself included) think we should move to even shorter workdays, or shorter work weeks. I like the slogan they had: “8 hours for sleep, 8 hours for work, 8 hours for what we will” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day
  - dcow 4y ago
    Nobody is forcing anybody to work 12 hours a day?
    - skottk 4y ago
      Many employers effectively force exempt employees to work 12 hour days.
      - dcow 4y ago
        Then don't take a salary. Nobody is forcing you to work for a nice salary. If you want to be paid by the hour so that every hour is accounted for then go for it.
        ddren 4y ago
        Of course, in practice that is not a possibility for most people. You can't just choose to work hourly if nobody is willing to hire you on these terms. Without regulation the balance of power is strongly in the hands of capital and inevitably leads to employers working employees to death. We have plenty of examples of this in our past.
        dcow 4y ago
        You can go work at McDonalds right now for $20/hr where I live. You can structure your work as a consultant and bill hourly. No you can't walk into a company that is looking for a salaried employee and tell them you're going to work hourly (I mean you can try, it might work). But you have plenty of options and there's plenty of work out there.
- glenstein 4y ago
  The most obvious problem is that you make workers compete against each other in a race to the bottom, with fewer and fewer protections, and employers select among the workers for those most willing to endure the most demanding hardship.
  - dcow 4y ago
    So because some people don't want to work more than 8 hours a day we must prevent everybody from working more than 8 hours a day because it will inevitably spiral into a race to the bottom? That's rhetorically pretty loose. Do we have that problem in the US? No. I don't believe this race to the bottom actually exists. Companies need all sorts of labor. Diversity of labor is good.
    - glenstein 4y ago
      >Do we have that problem in the US? We did, until we established labor laws preventing it.
    - mrguyorama 4y ago
      >No. I don't believe this race to the bottom actually exists. There are literally companies using child labor in the US RIGHT NOW, and a huge argument against increasing minimum wage is that "they are jobs for teens and teens don't need that much money" so desperate (or privileged enough in their position to not need to demand more) people are depressing wages in the US currently.
      - YeahNO 4y ago
        You are 100% spot on. States are weakening worker and child protection laws around the country. Destroying oversight of child protection: no need to check that kids are at least 16 before they are hired in Arkansas. Ohio Reps want to let 14 year olds work year round until 9pm each day. Iowa wants to let 14 year olds work in meatpacking plants AND indemnify companies from liability if the child is injured or killed at work, isn't that just grand? Minnesota trails with a bill to let 16 year olds work on construction sites. Do I hear 14? 13? How much for 12? Why any age at all? If a baby can swing a hammer, then what right does the man in Washington have to stop him? Is that baby not entitled to the sweat of his brow? I say YES! And if that baby should fall off a ladder dragging a square of tiles behind him, should the company not be protected from liability for it was that baby's own fault? I say YES, most emphatically! /s
- blendergeek 4y ago
  > And you don't here complaints in the US because the US does not limit the amount of hours you can work in a day. The media may not amplify the complaints but the complaints are very real. > It just says that companies must provide an unpaid break for more than 5 consecutive hours of work. US law does not say that.
  - dcow 4y ago
    What does it say?
    - blendergeek 4y ago
      US Law does not mandate breaks at all.
ribosometronome 4y ago
Are there not working rule limitations for everyone? It sounds like this will effectively limit them to a 4 day work week if they're working 12 hour shifts, barring overtime. >The state of Karnataka passed an amendment to the laws allowing 12-hour shifts and night shifts for women. Women dominate electronics production lines in parts of Asia, but are underrepresented in the Indian workforce. The legislation limits the maximum workweek to 48 hours, but also increases the number of overtime allowed to 145 over a three-month period from the previous 75 hours.
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dcow 4y ago

What's inherently abusive about a 12 hour work day? And you don't here complaints in the US because the US does not limit the amount of hours you can work in a day. It just says that companies must provide an unpaid break for more than 5 consecutive hours of work.

AstixAndBelix 4y ago
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- dcow 4y ago
  Then don't work 12 hours a day. Simple.
  - AstixAndBelix 4y ago
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    - dcow 4y ago
      What hyperbolic nonsense! For your comment to even begin to be taken seriously the majority of employers in India would have to de-facto require 12 hour work days. That's just not even remotely close to being true.
akaike 4y ago
If you want to dedicate your life completely to work, go ahead, but others maybe just want to work normal 9-5 jobs and have some free time for other activities
- dcow 4y ago
  That's exactly how it is. Nobody requires you to have 12 hour availability. It's just allowed now for women like it has been for men.
TaylorAlexander 4y ago
I’m no expert on this but there’s a long history in the fight for an 8 hour work day. Many people (myself included) think we should move to even shorter workdays, or shorter work weeks. I like the slogan they had: “8 hours for sleep, 8 hours for work, 8 hours for what we will” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day
- dcow 4y ago
  Nobody is forcing anybody to work 12 hours a day?
  - skottk 4y ago
    Many employers effectively force exempt employees to work 12 hour days.
    - dcow 4y ago
      Then don't take a salary. Nobody is forcing you to work for a nice salary. If you want to be paid by the hour so that every hour is accounted for then go for it.
      - ddren 4y ago
        Of course, in practice that is not a possibility for most people. You can't just choose to work hourly if nobody is willing to hire you on these terms. Without regulation the balance of power is strongly in the hands of capital and inevitably leads to employers working employees to death. We have plenty of examples of this in our past.
        dcow 4y ago
        You can go work at McDonalds right now for $20/hr where I live. You can structure your work as a consultant and bill hourly. No you can't walk into a company that is looking for a salaried employee and tell them you're going to work hourly (I mean you can try, it might work). But you have plenty of options and there's plenty of work out there.
glenstein 4y ago
The most obvious problem is that you make workers compete against each other in a race to the bottom, with fewer and fewer protections, and employers select among the workers for those most willing to endure the most demanding hardship.
- dcow 4y ago
  So because some people don't want to work more than 8 hours a day we must prevent everybody from working more than 8 hours a day because it will inevitably spiral into a race to the bottom? That's rhetorically pretty loose. Do we have that problem in the US? No. I don't believe this race to the bottom actually exists. Companies need all sorts of labor. Diversity of labor is good.
  - glenstein 4y ago
    >Do we have that problem in the US? We did, until we established labor laws preventing it.
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    >No. I don't believe this race to the bottom actually exists. There are literally companies using child labor in the US RIGHT NOW, and a huge argument against increasing minimum wage is that "they are jobs for teens and teens don't need that much money" so desperate (or privileged enough in their position to not need to demand more) people are depressing wages in the US currently.
    - YeahNO 4y ago
      You are 100% spot on. States are weakening worker and child protection laws around the country. Destroying oversight of child protection: no need to check that kids are at least 16 before they are hired in Arkansas. Ohio Reps want to let 14 year olds work year round until 9pm each day. Iowa wants to let 14 year olds work in meatpacking plants AND indemnify companies from liability if the child is injured or killed at work, isn't that just grand? Minnesota trails with a bill to let 16 year olds work on construction sites. Do I hear 14? 13? How much for 12? Why any age at all? If a baby can swing a hammer, then what right does the man in Washington have to stop him? Is that baby not entitled to the sweat of his brow? I say YES! And if that baby should fall off a ladder dragging a square of tiles behind him, should the company not be protected from liability for it was that baby's own fault? I say YES, most emphatically! /s
blendergeek 4y ago
> And you don't here complaints in the US because the US does not limit the amount of hours you can work in a day. The media may not amplify the complaints but the complaints are very real. > It just says that companies must provide an unpaid break for more than 5 consecutive hours of work. US law does not say that.
- dcow 4y ago
  What does it say?
  - blendergeek 4y ago
    US Law does not mandate breaks at all.

ribosometronome 4y ago

Are there not working rule limitations for everyone? It sounds like this will effectively limit them to a 4 day work week if they're working 12 hour shifts, barring overtime. >The state of Karnataka passed an amendment to the laws allowing 12-hour shifts and night shifts for women. Women dominate electronics production lines in parts of Asia, but are underrepresented in the Indian workforce. The legislation limits the maximum workweek to 48 hours, but also increases the number of overtime allowed to 145 over a three-month period from the previous 75 hours.

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