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Heavy fines
by moomoo3000 4y ago
Heavy fines
- eurasiantiger 4y agoSo you think that a greed-based demotivator will truly impact greedy behavior in any positive way for society at large? The greedy will just find ways to hide their greed.
- moomoo3000 4y agoMake them work harder for it
- MonkeyMalarky 4y agoAh I see, we should not fine or punish criminals because otherwise they would just hide their criminal behaviour. Makes sense.
- warent 4y agoMonkeyMalarky says: malarky detected
- eurasiantiger 4y agoKudos, that is exactly what I’m saying. How is the current approach working in your opinion?
- warent 4y agoIt depends on what country you're talking about. In Burundi you'll probably just be captured and murdered. The USA has very high recitivism when we throw ex convicts out on the streets homeless and broke, which is not a punishment, it's just piss-poor social management. Norway has one of the lowestest recitivism rates in the world. They combine just punishments with actual correctional assistance for reintegration into society. Punishments with real correctional assistance and social resources is a proven successful combination.
- tomp 4y agoFines are just “cost of business” for companies. Either bankrupt the company (fine is 20% of yearly revenue) or jail the executives and everyone responsible.
- matheusmoreira 4y agoThen the fine isn't high enough. Make them higher. If they complain, make them even higher. These aren't human beings. These are corporations: inanimate, unfeeling entities worth billions of dollars whose only point in existing is making money at your personal expense. They should think 10 times before engaging in any destructive behavior such as "leaking" patient data to advertising companies. If they're not afraid, then the fines aren't high enough and must be increased.
- SamoyedFurFluff 4y agoMy understanding is that if the fines ever become an existential threat then it motivates companies to commit criminal behavior but try to be sneakier about it, because in for a penny in for a pound. Of course we’re finding out repeatedly that no threatening fines don’t prevent that behavior either. :/ there’s a theoretical fine line where just enough fines will prevent such behavior but frankly I’m having a harder and harder time believing such rhetoric. Maybe it’s the ownership of such companies that are wrong. I highly doubt Cerebral would’ve made this decision in the first place if it was owned by regular people, especially regular mental health professionals.
- lynx23 4y agoHow do you ensure the penalty is actually higher then what the criminals managed to put aside? An uncle of an ex-girlfriend was put in jail for a MITM scheme in the construction bussiness. He was active for about 2 years until they got him. When I heard an estimate of how much he made, I went ahead and did the 24/7 hourly rate calculation for his jailtime. It was a 3 digit figure.
- idiotsecant 4y agoI'm not sure you can count it as income if it gets seized as part of prosecution.
- lynx23 4y agoThe point of the story was that the money actually never got seized.