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To be honest I'm not very hopeful. The average Joe really is gullible - just drop some terrorism, children and nowadays some "preventing misinformation" bs (whi

by outime 4y ago

To be honest I'm not very hopeful. The average Joe really is gullible - just drop some terrorism, children and nowadays some "preventing misinformation" bs (which of course has never and will never be twisted to fit government's needs at the time) to the mix and people will accept it. Nevertheless I support these campaigns since I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.

seanw444 4y ago
I'm not either. But it's always a fight worth fighting. If nobody is vocally against this stuff, governments can just go "see, nobody even wants full privacy anyways."
pydry 4y ago
This is often where creative memes help. This wouldn't be the first issue where some public education is needed.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
Are they gullible or pragmatic? I appreciate the concern here but at the end of the day these laws hardly affect the average Joe so why should he care? There is some wisdom in not worring about future hypotheticals until they actually happen.
- outime 4y ago
  >Are they gullible or pragmatic? Gullible. Pragmatic would be a person who doesn't worry about completely made up things - not the case. >these laws hardly affect the average Joe so why should he care That's where I completely disagree and I encourage you to read more about how this is an overreach. I won't link anything specific to prevent nitpicking but googling "chat control summary" should bring some ideas at least. >There is some wisdom in not worring about future hypotheticals until they actually happen Well this isn't a hypothetical, it's another step towards overreach and should be at least exposed. It's literally the boiling frog apologue [1]. When it actually happens we may already be burned alive - metaphorically speaking, hopefully - and there won't be much else left to do. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
    > Pragmatic would be a person who doesn't worry about completely made up things - not the case. They are completely made up things though. As an example: Climate change is not made up since it is affecting us now. Assuming what a future government might do is purely hypothetical though. I could draw a hypothetical that these laws will create world peace and stop nuclear war with the same amount of authority. Both are possible.
beardog 4y ago
It is also just not caring. In the US the largest voter bloc is non-voter most of the time, even in presidential elections, with primaries and midterms skewing even worse. It is better in Germany though, but not vastly so.
KptMarchewa 4y ago
I've never seen bottom up support for those type of measures. They are also universally unpopular: https://european-pirateparty.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/chatcontrol.png https://european-pirateparty.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/c... No amount of terrorist or pedophile arguments have changed it. People don't accept it - at worst they are apathetic. This type of campaigns - and getting some media on our side will help.
vindscreenviper 4y ago
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mrshadowgoose 4y ago
Don't forget "fighting hate speech". If one doesn't support "fighting hate speech", that person is obviously an alt-right neo-Nazi. I'm not hopeful either. For the first time in literally millennia, we've enjoyed a few golden decades of almost entirely uncontrolled communication. And now a lot of us are (unknowingly) begging for that to be taken away.

by outime 4y ago

seanw444 4y ago

I'm not either. But it's always a fight worth fighting. If nobody is vocally against this stuff, governments can just go "see, nobody even wants full privacy anyways."

pydry 4y ago

This is often where creative memes help. This wouldn't be the first issue where some public education is needed.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

Are they gullible or pragmatic? I appreciate the concern here but at the end of the day these laws hardly affect the average Joe so why should he care? There is some wisdom in not worring about future hypotheticals until they actually happen.

outime 4y ago
>Are they gullible or pragmatic? Gullible. Pragmatic would be a person who doesn't worry about completely made up things - not the case. >these laws hardly affect the average Joe so why should he care That's where I completely disagree and I encourage you to read more about how this is an overreach. I won't link anything specific to prevent nitpicking but googling "chat control summary" should bring some ideas at least. >There is some wisdom in not worring about future hypotheticals until they actually happen Well this isn't a hypothetical, it's another step towards overreach and should be at least exposed. It's literally the boiling frog apologue [1]. When it actually happens we may already be burned alive - metaphorically speaking, hopefully - and there won't be much else left to do. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  > Pragmatic would be a person who doesn't worry about completely made up things - not the case. They are completely made up things though. As an example: Climate change is not made up since it is affecting us now. Assuming what a future government might do is purely hypothetical though. I could draw a hypothetical that these laws will create world peace and stop nuclear war with the same amount of authority. Both are possible.

beardog 4y ago

It is also just not caring. In the US the largest voter bloc is non-voter most of the time, even in presidential elections, with primaries and midterms skewing even worse. It is better in Germany though, but not vastly so.

KptMarchewa 4y ago

I've never seen bottom up support for those type of measures. They are also universally unpopular: https://european-pirateparty.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/chatcontrol.png https://european-pirateparty.eu/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/c... No amount of terrorist or pedophile arguments have changed it. People don't accept it - at worst they are apathetic. This type of campaigns - and getting some media on our side will help.

vindscreenviper 4y ago

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mrshadowgoose 4y ago

Don't forget "fighting hate speech". If one doesn't support "fighting hate speech", that person is obviously an alt-right neo-Nazi. I'm not hopeful either. For the first time in literally millennia, we've enjoyed a few golden decades of almost entirely uncontrolled communication. And now a lot of us are (unknowingly) begging for that to be taken away.