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I use expensive notebooks because I use a fountain pen, and crappy notebooks won't take good ink well.

__rito__ 4y ago
There are many cheap notebooks in the market that handle fountain pens perfectly. You just have to experiment with some and once you find a lineup supported by a good company, you are set for life.
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  It's interesting you make this assertion without naming any examples. Mainly, though, I'm replying to push back on the "set for life" aspect of your comment. Paper mills change, and so do notebook makers. Moleskine used to be fine, but they started using cheaper paper a long while ago and my usual combo of Vanishing Point + Pilot cartridge ink started bleeding really badly. The point is that eventually, someone at $notebook_company is going to change things up, and the odds are that change will make things worse. So you kinda always have to be looking.
mdlman 4y ago
I’m with you. Although I recently started writing a lot more than usual. I ended up buying a used wire binding machine. I’ve been making notebooks with nice printer paper and cardboard from cereal boxes recently. It’s worked surprisingly well, although I may get a better source of cover cardboard soon. The nice part is that I can make notebooks of any size and any paper (like watercolor paper for sketchbooks) with lots of pages. Much simpler than sewing the binding.
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  This is a great example of the thing that happens a lot: There's the hobby or primary activity (in this case: writing on nice paper) -- and then the all-consuming DIY-hacker-ethos activity of needing to build or modify everything associated with the activity. I'm glad YOU are happy, and I absolutely understand that you aren't doing this, but a super common thing is that someone mentions a hobby -- pens and notebooks; home espresso; motorcycles -- and is then deluged with instructions about how they should do a bunch of stuff that's really part of the second order hobby (the DIY stuff) and not about the main activity. I just want to make coffee, or ride my motorcycle, or have good pen and paper options. I don't need to - Hack a chinese grinder instead of buying a turnkey device; or - Modify a bunch of stuff on my motorcycle when it works just fine as it is; or - Make my own notebooks But if you're happy doing these things, bully for you!
Symbiote 4y ago
Writing with a fountain pen was expected of me from about age 8, although the enforcement decreased significantly from age 14 or so. The notebooks / exercise books the school supplied could hardly be considered expensive, so you may just need to shop around. Or maybe downgrade to use cheap ink on a cheap notebook?
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  Paper compatibility with pens is really a multivariable problem of paper x pen nib x ink choice, BUT I think you may also underestimate how crappy mass-market paper is in the US. Fountain pens are exclusively hobbyist items. Children are never taught with them, and that kind of penmanship hasn't been a normal part of childhood education in the US at any point in my lifetime. If everyone is using a ballpoint with paste ink, the paper can get progressively crappier and crappier for a long time before anyone notices. When I buy notebooks in the UK, though, I find that lower-end notebooks tend to be nicer than their apparent equivalents in the US.
fernandotakai 4y ago
i've tried a bunch of notebooks and they still don't take ink well -- which ones do you use?
- ubermonkey 4y ago
  As I noted elsewhere, it's really a question of paper x pen nib x ink, because some combos work great and some won't. The paper in my Barton Fig journal is fine for, say, my Vanishing Point pens with stock Pilot/Namiki ink, but my Aurora with Birmingham Pen ink bleeds intolerably there. (This is one reason pen people tend to have multiple pens inked at once...) Anyway, at my desk, I'm using currently a Rhodia Goalbook blank journal. It takes anything I throw at it. If you can find it, Tahmoe River paper is really great for almost any combo, but they recently changed the mill and I understand the new version isn't as great. Finding it is always a bit of a Thing since they don't make journals; you just have to find a company that's making books with their paper. I used Moleskine for years, but at some point a while back (a LONG while back), their paper changed and my go-to combo (the Vanishing Points + cartridge ink, because for years I flew all the time and this made it easy) stopped working well on that paper. I moved on to Leuchtturm 1917 notebooks, and they were more like the old Moleskines, but I moved off of them when I started using a wider array of pens and inks because while the L. paper was fine for the VP, it didn't handle fancier/wetter pens as well. L. now also makes a heavier paper variant, and I have one I haven't started using yet, but I hear good things.

There are many cheap notebooks in the market that handle fountain pens perfectly. You just have to experiment with some and once you find a lineup supported by a good company, you are set for life.

ubermonkey 4y ago
It's interesting you make this assertion without naming any examples. Mainly, though, I'm replying to push back on the "set for life" aspect of your comment. Paper mills change, and so do notebook makers. Moleskine used to be fine, but they started using cheaper paper a long while ago and my usual combo of Vanishing Point + Pilot cartridge ink started bleeding really badly. The point is that eventually, someone at $notebook_company is going to change things up, and the odds are that change will make things worse. So you kinda always have to be looking.

mdlman 4y ago

I’m with you. Although I recently started writing a lot more than usual. I ended up buying a used wire binding machine. I’ve been making notebooks with nice printer paper and cardboard from cereal boxes recently. It’s worked surprisingly well, although I may get a better source of cover cardboard soon. The nice part is that I can make notebooks of any size and any paper (like watercolor paper for sketchbooks) with lots of pages. Much simpler than sewing the binding.

ubermonkey 4y ago
This is a great example of the thing that happens a lot: There's the hobby or primary activity (in this case: writing on nice paper) -- and then the all-consuming DIY-hacker-ethos activity of needing to build or modify everything associated with the activity. I'm glad YOU are happy, and I absolutely understand that you aren't doing this, but a super common thing is that someone mentions a hobby -- pens and notebooks; home espresso; motorcycles -- and is then deluged with instructions about how they should do a bunch of stuff that's really part of the second order hobby (the DIY stuff) and not about the main activity. I just want to make coffee, or ride my motorcycle, or have good pen and paper options. I don't need to - Hack a chinese grinder instead of buying a turnkey device; or - Modify a bunch of stuff on my motorcycle when it works just fine as it is; or - Make my own notebooks But if you're happy doing these things, bully for you!

Symbiote 4y ago

Writing with a fountain pen was expected of me from about age 8, although the enforcement decreased significantly from age 14 or so. The notebooks / exercise books the school supplied could hardly be considered expensive, so you may just need to shop around. Or maybe downgrade to use cheap ink on a cheap notebook?

ubermonkey 4y ago
Paper compatibility with pens is really a multivariable problem of paper x pen nib x ink choice, BUT I think you may also underestimate how crappy mass-market paper is in the US. Fountain pens are exclusively hobbyist items. Children are never taught with them, and that kind of penmanship hasn't been a normal part of childhood education in the US at any point in my lifetime. If everyone is using a ballpoint with paste ink, the paper can get progressively crappier and crappier for a long time before anyone notices. When I buy notebooks in the UK, though, I find that lower-end notebooks tend to be nicer than their apparent equivalents in the US.

fernandotakai 4y ago

i've tried a bunch of notebooks and they still don't take ink well -- which ones do you use?

ubermonkey 4y ago
As I noted elsewhere, it's really a question of paper x pen nib x ink, because some combos work great and some won't. The paper in my Barton Fig journal is fine for, say, my Vanishing Point pens with stock Pilot/Namiki ink, but my Aurora with Birmingham Pen ink bleeds intolerably there. (This is one reason pen people tend to have multiple pens inked at once...) Anyway, at my desk, I'm using currently a Rhodia Goalbook blank journal. It takes anything I throw at it. If you can find it, Tahmoe River paper is really great for almost any combo, but they recently changed the mill and I understand the new version isn't as great. Finding it is always a bit of a Thing since they don't make journals; you just have to find a company that's making books with their paper. I used Moleskine for years, but at some point a while back (a LONG while back), their paper changed and my go-to combo (the Vanishing Points + cartridge ink, because for years I flew all the time and this made it easy) stopped working well on that paper. I moved on to Leuchtturm 1917 notebooks, and they were more like the old Moleskines, but I moved off of them when I started using a wider array of pens and inks because while the L. paper was fine for the VP, it didn't handle fancier/wetter pens as well. L. now also makes a heavier paper variant, and I have one I haven't started using yet, but I hear good things.