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recently I tried to search for CO2-consumption (as in usage as an industrial gas) on Google. It didn't return 1 useful hit, everything was about emissions. So:
by fock 4y ago
recently I tried to search for CO2-consumption (as in usage as an industrial gas) on Google. It didn't return 1 useful hit, everything was about emissions.
So: We are already there, all without ChatGPT... ChatGPT (with its cool ways to make it nondeterministic, like: replacing tokens with synonyms and raising the temperature. Or: retraining it...) will make things worse definitely.
Probably the way to go is for {academia,sects,orgs with sense for humanity,...} to build stores of attributable information and then start shunning the branches which produce bullshit (this is what scientific publishing should do already.... it doesn't... even without ChatGPT there's already templated articles strewn around the corpus and noone cares). The main issue there is, that this means that they will also have to stop using a lot of technology (and buy a 32nm foundry...), because many orgs are probably already poisoned.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y agoI went and searched for "CO2 industrial applications -emissions" without the quotes. This was the first result: https://applications.messergroup.com/co2-applications https://applications.messergroup.com/co2-applications There were a number of other relevant results. Papers on various applications of CO2, forum posts, etc. Nothing on emissions. Sure google is a lot worse these days than it used to be, but it still seems plenty usable to me and I have no issues finding what I want with some basic operators.
- Crosseye_Jack 4y ago> with some basic operators The problem imo is that Google was good enough that basic operators were not required, as such the avg Joe is amazed when finding out that such operators exist, and Google doesn’t really promote the advanced search page these days.
- yunohn 4y agoI’m not sure why GP used the minus operator - I omitted that part and still got results about usage and not emissions.
- fock 4y agoI want to get statistics and numbers. I'm aware of the applications. GPs suggestions didn't really help me either.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y agoDid another search for "industrial consumption of CO2", again without the quotes, and found this: https://www.iea.org/reports/putting-co2-to-use https://www.iea.org/reports/putting-co2-to-use Sure this talks a lot about emissions, but it also seems to include a detailed breakdown of various industrial uses for CO2, with numbers, projections, statistics and all.
- yunohn 4y agohttps://www.iea.org/reports/putting-co2-to-use https://www.iea.org/reports/putting-co2-to-use First result for “co2 industrial usage numbers”, without quotes - just like the sibling comment. You need to specify atleast a few keywords to clarify what you’re looking for - search engine nor llm chatbot nor HN commenters can read your mind…
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y agoSpecifically because they said they only found stuff on emissions. Never tried it without. It's one of the most common patterns I come across. I search word X but find a bunch of word Y stuff that's not what I'm looking for, because word X and Y appear together a lot in Y's context. So I add -Y to the query.
- msrenee 4y agoGoogle has gotten way better at interpreting search queries formulated like natural speech. It used to be you had to know what sort of keywords together would get you the results you were interested in. Now I can type in "what is the capital of France" and have a Wikipedia article about Paris pop up, an Encyclopedia Brittanica entry, and World Population Review for the city. That wouldn't have been the case in 2005. It's become a tool that basically anyone can at least get some information out of. Googling used to be a skill that non-technical people struggled with.
- greenie_beans 4y agoi feel like it's been half decent at that for at least a decade? that's my typical way to google something dumb like "how do know if my dog sprained or broke?
- msrenee 4y ago2005 is well over a decade ago and that's very much on the conservative end of when I remember the selection of search terms as being very important and a sort of art form.