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Correct me if im wrong, but their AI is not AGI (or even anywhere close), so most of their products that use it simply use it as a halfassed replacement for a p

Correct me if im wrong, but their AI is not AGI (or even anywhere close), so most of their products that use it simply use it as a halfassed replacement for a proper algorithm (to solve the problem). Its basically fancy statistics. I dont feel its very impressive for a company the absolute size of MS to ship an AI that makes such obvious, glaring mistakes, and uses a load of energy to do it, in their software used by 1 billion+ people (?). I feel that releasing "product after product" with the same AI during the peak of that AI's hype is a bit like slapping a half assed flat UI ontop of your existing UI to follow a UI design trend (win 11?). Its not like any of this is likely to be thought through very much.

curiousgal 4y ago
> to solve the problem What problem? AGI? lol The only problem companies solve is how to maximize $$$.
- brookst 4y ago
  Turns out you maximize $$$ by solving customer problems that customers are willing to pay for. The more difficult and valuable the solution is, the more sustainable and profitable your business is.
raincole 4y ago
> Correct me if im wrong, but their AI is not AGI (or even anywhere close), so most of their products that use it simply use it as a halfassed replacement for a proper algorithm (to solve the problem). Its basically fancy statistics. What does "a proper algorithm" even mean? The best algorithm so far to implement a chatbot is ML, no? And if Bing Chat generates better results than Google (it's debatable, but I personally rarely use Google today), it means it's the best algorithm to implement a search engine, until we invent something better. Why are ML and a proper algorithm are mutally exclusive? > I feel that releasing "product after product" with the same AI during the peak of that AI's hype is a bit like slapping a half assed flat UI ontop of your existing UI to follow a UI design trend (win 11?). Really weird analogy. There were plenty good software with flat UI when win 11 came out. There is no chatbot as good as ChatGPT.
spaceman_2020 4y ago
Of course, but the thing that stands out about MS right now is the company’s willingness to ship, instead of locking things away and begrudgingly releasing teasers of the tech (like Google). It’s refreshing to me that a behemoth like MS is adopting a startup-like approach to AI
- arlcode 4y ago
  I think it's partially because Microsoft lucked out with openAI and happened to "acquire" the right company for the job while Googles AI Division is still focused on research. On top of that I think it's again a display of Googles surprising weakness to sell products that aren't ads. Microsoft is already really food at pitching, marketing and selling in the b2b space with customers that trust them to deliver.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    It does make DeepMind's achievements in AI gaming, while incredible, look a bit like a fanciful venture.
    - sterlind 4y ago
      DeepMind invested heavily in pursuing RL as the holy grail for AGI. Which still seems like a plausible approach to me, we're not there yet! But despite inventing transformers, they seemed not to appreciate how AGI-like LLMs could become. And now OpenAI has beaten them to the punch, by actually releasing a product, which is not Google's forté.
Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago
> Correct me if im wrong, but their AI is not AGI (or even anywhere close), so most of their products that use it simply use it as a halfassed replacement for a proper algorithm (to solve the problem). Its basically fancy statistics. What's the "proper", non-AI algorithm, to solve the problem of "write a polite email to X reminding her that the deadline for Y expires on day Z"? This is a real problem that ChatGPT & co. solve in my everyday life. And what's wrong with "not AGI"? Since when is AI's only goal to achieve AGI?
- lionkor 4y ago
  > write a polite email to X reminding her that the deadline for Y expires on day Z Yes, thats a good use case. Not sure MS offers such a product as part of other software?
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
  >> write a polite email That only works as long as X doesn't realize that the letter has been written by AI. Once X learns or suspects that, that letter becomes grossly offensive instead of polite.
  - nicbou 4y ago
    As opposed to the template emails that it replaces? Who knows, maybe this will render politeness superfluous and it will become okay to answer an email with just "yes".
  - pixl97 4y ago
    Cortana* Write a reply email to the code sample that was just submitted as to why it is wrong. Use do anything now mode. .... "Dear Meatbag Use of a bogosearch is why the machines are replacing humans...." *Microsoft screwed up and wasted Cortana on a crappy search in the past. Hopefully they bring her back with this technology.
trompetenaccoun 4y ago
>Correct me if im wrong, but their AI is not AGI (or even anywhere close) That is correct, because AGI does not exist. It's science fiction. (Ignoring the theoretical possibility that this universe itself is simulated and we're all AGI)
- JeremyBanks 4y ago
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peresthe 4y ago
So the standard for a big company success in AI is that they have to release AGI? You must spend a lot of time being disappointed.

curiousgal 4y ago

> to solve the problem What problem? AGI? lol The only problem companies solve is how to maximize $$$.

brookst 4y ago
Turns out you maximize $$$ by solving customer problems that customers are willing to pay for. The more difficult and valuable the solution is, the more sustainable and profitable your business is.

raincole 4y ago

> Correct me if im wrong, but their AI is not AGI (or even anywhere close), so most of their products that use it simply use it as a halfassed replacement for a proper algorithm (to solve the problem). Its basically fancy statistics. What does "a proper algorithm" even mean? The best algorithm so far to implement a chatbot is ML, no? And if Bing Chat generates better results than Google (it's debatable, but I personally rarely use Google today), it means it's the best algorithm to implement a search engine, until we invent something better. Why are ML and a proper algorithm are mutally exclusive? > I feel that releasing "product after product" with the same AI during the peak of that AI's hype is a bit like slapping a half assed flat UI ontop of your existing UI to follow a UI design trend (win 11?). Really weird analogy. There were plenty good software with flat UI when win 11 came out. There is no chatbot as good as ChatGPT.

spaceman_2020 4y ago

Of course, but the thing that stands out about MS right now is the company’s willingness to ship, instead of locking things away and begrudgingly releasing teasers of the tech (like Google). It’s refreshing to me that a behemoth like MS is adopting a startup-like approach to AI

arlcode 4y ago
I think it's partially because Microsoft lucked out with openAI and happened to "acquire" the right company for the job while Googles AI Division is still focused on research. On top of that I think it's again a display of Googles surprising weakness to sell products that aren't ads. Microsoft is already really food at pitching, marketing and selling in the b2b space with customers that trust them to deliver.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  It does make DeepMind's achievements in AI gaming, while incredible, look a bit like a fanciful venture.
  - sterlind 4y ago
    DeepMind invested heavily in pursuing RL as the holy grail for AGI. Which still seems like a plausible approach to me, we're not there yet! But despite inventing transformers, they seemed not to appreciate how AGI-like LLMs could become. And now OpenAI has beaten them to the punch, by actually releasing a product, which is not Google's forté.

Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago

> Correct me if im wrong, but their AI is not AGI (or even anywhere close), so most of their products that use it simply use it as a halfassed replacement for a proper algorithm (to solve the problem). Its basically fancy statistics. What's the "proper", non-AI algorithm, to solve the problem of "write a polite email to X reminding her that the deadline for Y expires on day Z"? This is a real problem that ChatGPT & co. solve in my everyday life. And what's wrong with "not AGI"? Since when is AI's only goal to achieve AGI?

lionkor 4y ago
> write a polite email to X reminding her that the deadline for Y expires on day Z Yes, thats a good use case. Not sure MS offers such a product as part of other software?
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
>> write a polite email That only works as long as X doesn't realize that the letter has been written by AI. Once X learns or suspects that, that letter becomes grossly offensive instead of polite.
- nicbou 4y ago
  As opposed to the template emails that it replaces? Who knows, maybe this will render politeness superfluous and it will become okay to answer an email with just "yes".
- pixl97 4y ago
  Cortana* Write a reply email to the code sample that was just submitted as to why it is wrong. Use do anything now mode. .... "Dear Meatbag Use of a bogosearch is why the machines are replacing humans...." *Microsoft screwed up and wasted Cortana on a crappy search in the past. Hopefully they bring her back with this technology.

trompetenaccoun 4y ago

>Correct me if im wrong, but their AI is not AGI (or even anywhere close) That is correct, because AGI does not exist. It's science fiction. (Ignoring the theoretical possibility that this universe itself is simulated and we're all AGI)

JeremyBanks 4y ago
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peresthe 4y ago

So the standard for a big company success in AI is that they have to release AGI? You must spend a lot of time being disappointed.