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A variant of Thatcher's "Being powerful is like being a lady, if you have to tell people you are, you aren't".

by cm2187 4y ago

coolspot 4y ago
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honeybadger1 4y ago
[flagged]
- gnicholas 4y ago
  TBH I wasn't sure what the commenter was trying to communicate. That she had been cancelled? That she should be cancelled? I definitely wouldn't have flagged such a comment, but I would agree that it wasn't exactly adding to the discourse.
  - honeybadger1 4y ago
    It seemed like a tongue in cheek joke about people projecting that women are strong(like south park style joke I guess) and if you say they are not..you are cancelled? I dunno, I appreciate humor, but yeah that was swift admin action on that.
    - post_below 4y ago
      Most of the time, comments that don't add anything of substance to the conversation get downvoted or flagged at HN.
    - gnicholas 4y ago
      I think the vast majority of flagging is by regular HNers (with some karma threshold), not admins. I try not to make too many jokes on HN. They have to be very clearly funny and/or very spot-on to survive HN's this-isn't-reddit ethos, which seems to be pretty strictly enforced.
      - notch898a 4y ago
        My anecdotal experience is jokes/poorly supported takes get downvotes. If you want to get flagged, the best way to do that is to make an irrefutable strong argument that ruffles political or economic feathers of a popular ideology on HN. There's nothing that enrages people here more than an unpopular but sound argumen they don't like, so they flag it to make it go away. If they can quickly disprove you or make you to look an idiot, they'll downvote rather than flag so that everyone can see their moral or intellectual superiority in the full thread.
        3np 4y ago
        Please link examples.
        honeybadger1 4y ago
        [flagged]
        calderknight 4y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34242491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34242491
        calderknight 4y ago
        I found various examples of notch making "ancap" arguments and getting flagged. They're examples of comments getting flagged due to their expression of unpopular viewpoints, although frankly they were lacking in quality argumentation so they're not the greatest examples of his point.
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - smt88 4y ago
        > They have to be very clearly funny and/or very spot-on to survive HN's this-isn't-reddit ethos I downvote jokes even if they are funny, and it is (partly) the "HN-isn't-reddit" methos. Reddit has so much noise-to-signal that it's not particularly valuable. It's like junkfood. HN is better because every comment (per the official rules) is supposed to be substantial. Jokes that are funny but not satirical or insightful aren't substantial in my opinion. (I should also say that I often find reddit to be hilarious, but that's not what I'm looking for when I come here.)
    - valvar 4y ago
      I think the flagged commenter was probably thinking of the quote in terms of a framing related to trans people.
- sanderjd 4y ago
  Seems like a very unclear and incredibly low value comment to me... :shrug:
deleted 4y ago
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dumbotron 4y ago
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MengerSponge 4y ago
It's really amazing that both Thatcher and Reagan came to power at around the same time, delivered such fabulous witticisms, and caused very similar societal harm.
- di4na 4y ago
  Not really. They delivered exactly what the biggest demographic group at the time wanted. Which is... Exactly what you expect in a democracy with a particularly large voter bloc...
- refurb 4y ago
  Not that shocking. Both the UK and US had suffered under economic policies that didnt deliver. Not shocking the voters wanted something different.
  - dools 4y ago
    Didn't deliver!? That's an absurd claim.
    - refurb 4y ago
      Not really. Carter didnt talk about the “general malaise” just for fun. The economy was pretty much in the dumpster for most of the 70’s in both countries. Not unusual for the old guard to be turfed out when that happens.
- raspberry1337 4y ago
  UK before Tatcher was a depressed society with stagflation, rising crimes, crumbling infrastructure; that couldn't even clean its own streets. It was a society completely hamstrung by old unions that would happily collapse the economy in face of global competition, as long as their jobs gave the same pay - nominally. Thatcher won two landslide re-elections for a reason.
  - noizejoy 4y ago
shafyy 4y ago
Or Tywin Lannister's "Any man who must say, 'I am the King', is no true king."
- rjzzleep 4y ago
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  - BaRRaKID 4y ago
    You do know that that video is from the TV COMEDY show Servant of the People, where he plays the role of a Ukrainian president BEFORE he was actually elected president?
    - rjzzleep 4y ago
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      - docmars 4y ago
        [flagged]
      - roflyear 4y ago
        You need a source beyond the video being obviously choreographed? Do you think real-life interactions are filmed that way?
        rjzzleep 4y ago
        I appreciate all the flags, but why is wrong to ask for sources? What isn't choreographed about that president? He has multiple US based PR consultants, there's a behind the scenes for his AR addresses[1], they had a vogue photo shoot[2] all in the middle of a war. They played air raid sirens for Biden[3], after Biden got assurances from the Kremlin for his visit[4], all the while even CNN reporters said that there were no signs of any strikes. Why not just providing sources instead of slandering people that ask for them? Even if the person above is right, asking for sources and providing is the correct behaviour in an adult conversation on a platform that prides itself to be full of scientists. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zckV1bYrGdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zckV1bYrGdQ [2] https://www.vogue.com/article/portrait-of-bravery-ukraines-first-lady-olena-zelenska https://www.vogue.com/article/portrait-of-bravery-ukraines-f... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfaCc1feMaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfaCc1feMaM [4] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/20/how-biden-pulled-off-a-visit-to-an-active-ukrainian-war-zone https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/20/how-biden-pu...

A variant of Thatcher's "Being powerful is like being a lady, if you have to tell people you are, you aren't".

by cm2187 4y ago

A variant of Thatcher's "Being powerful is like being a lady, if you have to tell people you are, you aren't".

coolspot 4y ago

[flagged]

honeybadger1 4y ago

[flagged]

gnicholas 4y ago
TBH I wasn't sure what the commenter was trying to communicate. That she had been cancelled? That she should be cancelled? I definitely wouldn't have flagged such a comment, but I would agree that it wasn't exactly adding to the discourse.
- honeybadger1 4y ago
  It seemed like a tongue in cheek joke about people projecting that women are strong(like south park style joke I guess) and if you say they are not..you are cancelled? I dunno, I appreciate humor, but yeah that was swift admin action on that.
  - post_below 4y ago
    Most of the time, comments that don't add anything of substance to the conversation get downvoted or flagged at HN.
  - gnicholas 4y ago
    I think the vast majority of flagging is by regular HNers (with some karma threshold), not admins. I try not to make too many jokes on HN. They have to be very clearly funny and/or very spot-on to survive HN's this-isn't-reddit ethos, which seems to be pretty strictly enforced.
    - notch898a 4y ago
      My anecdotal experience is jokes/poorly supported takes get downvotes. If you want to get flagged, the best way to do that is to make an irrefutable strong argument that ruffles political or economic feathers of a popular ideology on HN. There's nothing that enrages people here more than an unpopular but sound argumen they don't like, so they flag it to make it go away. If they can quickly disprove you or make you to look an idiot, they'll downvote rather than flag so that everyone can see their moral or intellectual superiority in the full thread.
      - 3np 4y ago
        Please link examples.
        honeybadger1 4y ago
        [flagged]
        calderknight 4y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34242491 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34242491
        calderknight 4y ago
        I found various examples of notch making "ancap" arguments and getting flagged. They're examples of comments getting flagged due to their expression of unpopular viewpoints, although frankly they were lacking in quality argumentation so they're not the greatest examples of his point.
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
    - smt88 4y ago
      > They have to be very clearly funny and/or very spot-on to survive HN's this-isn't-reddit ethos I downvote jokes even if they are funny, and it is (partly) the "HN-isn't-reddit" methos. Reddit has so much noise-to-signal that it's not particularly valuable. It's like junkfood. HN is better because every comment (per the official rules) is supposed to be substantial. Jokes that are funny but not satirical or insightful aren't substantial in my opinion. (I should also say that I often find reddit to be hilarious, but that's not what I'm looking for when I come here.)
  - valvar 4y ago
    I think the flagged commenter was probably thinking of the quote in terms of a framing related to trans people.
sanderjd 4y ago
Seems like a very unclear and incredibly low value comment to me... :shrug:

deleted 4y ago

[deleted]

dumbotron 4y ago

[flagged]

MengerSponge 4y ago

It's really amazing that both Thatcher and Reagan came to power at around the same time, delivered such fabulous witticisms, and caused very similar societal harm.

di4na 4y ago
Not really. They delivered exactly what the biggest demographic group at the time wanted. Which is... Exactly what you expect in a democracy with a particularly large voter bloc...
refurb 4y ago
Not that shocking. Both the UK and US had suffered under economic policies that didnt deliver. Not shocking the voters wanted something different.
- dools 4y ago
  Didn't deliver!? That's an absurd claim.
  - refurb 4y ago
    Not really. Carter didnt talk about the “general malaise” just for fun. The economy was pretty much in the dumpster for most of the 70’s in both countries. Not unusual for the old guard to be turfed out when that happens.
raspberry1337 4y ago
UK before Tatcher was a depressed society with stagflation, rising crimes, crumbling infrastructure; that couldn't even clean its own streets. It was a society completely hamstrung by old unions that would happily collapse the economy in face of global competition, as long as their jobs gave the same pay - nominally. Thatcher won two landslide re-elections for a reason.
- noizejoy 4y ago

shafyy 4y ago

Or Tywin Lannister's "Any man who must say, 'I am the King', is no true king."

rjzzleep 4y ago
[flagged]
- BaRRaKID 4y ago
  You do know that that video is from the TV COMEDY show Servant of the People, where he plays the role of a Ukrainian president BEFORE he was actually elected president?
  - rjzzleep 4y ago
    [flagged]
    - docmars 4y ago
      [flagged]
    - roflyear 4y ago
      You need a source beyond the video being obviously choreographed? Do you think real-life interactions are filmed that way?
      - rjzzleep 4y ago
        I appreciate all the flags, but why is wrong to ask for sources? What isn't choreographed about that president? He has multiple US based PR consultants, there's a behind the scenes for his AR addresses[1], they had a vogue photo shoot[2] all in the middle of a war. They played air raid sirens for Biden[3], after Biden got assurances from the Kremlin for his visit[4], all the while even CNN reporters said that there were no signs of any strikes. Why not just providing sources instead of slandering people that ask for them? Even if the person above is right, asking for sources and providing is the correct behaviour in an adult conversation on a platform that prides itself to be full of scientists. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zckV1bYrGdQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zckV1bYrGdQ [2] https://www.vogue.com/article/portrait-of-bravery-ukraines-first-lady-olena-zelenska https://www.vogue.com/article/portrait-of-bravery-ukraines-f... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfaCc1feMaM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfaCc1feMaM [4] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/20/how-biden-pulled-off-a-visit-to-an-active-ukrainian-war-zone https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/20/how-biden-pu...