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> I've got the founders on my side of this argument. The limit citizenship to "free White persons of good character" founding fathers [1]? Or Thomas Jefferson,
by nhchris 4y ago
> I've got the founders on my side of this argument.
The limit citizenship to "free White persons of good character" founding fathers [1]? Or Thomas Jefferson, who considered that, when freed, Blacks should be "removed beyond the reach of mixture" [2]? James Madison, who wrote "To be consistent with existing and probably unalterable prejudices in the U. S. the freed blacks ought to be permanently removed beyond the region occupied by or allotted to a White population." [3]? Or Benjamin Franklin, writing "the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small [..] I could wish their Numbers were increased [..] But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind." [4]?
As an American you were probably exposed to much propaganda about how the US is a "nation founded on an idea", or similar nonsense. But as a foreign observer, let me assure you nothing could be further from the truth. Did you never ask yourself, if the founders were such racial egalitarians, how is it that, aside from the descendants of Black slaves (10%), the US was nearly entirely white (87.5%) until 1950? That leaves just 2.5% for immigration from the entire rest of the world.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790
[2] https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/03/what-jefferson-helps-to-explain/376800/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1997/03/what-je...
[3] https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch15s65.html https://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/v1ch15s65...
[4] https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-04-02-0080 https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Franklin/01-04-02-00...
- tptacek 4y agoI honestly don't care what foreigners think about our fidelity to the ideas of the founders; I'm making a simple positive argument about the clearly stated goal of the founders.
- nhchris 4y agoI've sourced my claims, so could you likewise show me this clearly stated goal? You mention Federalist 52 in your other comment, but wikipedia's summary says nothing about racial egalitarianism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._52 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._52
- tptacek 4y agoI don't know what you're talking about, and I don't care about the premise of your question, so there's not much for us to productively discuss here. I've been careful about the concepts I'm talking about ("culture" and "religion", both being Rayiner-provided examples of legitimate forms of discrimination). I'm not interested in doing comparative studies on this between different countries; that discussion will be a total mess.
- nhchris 4y ago> I don't know what you're talking about Sure, I'll try to be clearer. You wrote "I'm making a simple positive argument about the clearly stated goal of the founders." Which goal, and where was it stated?
- tptacek 4y agoAgain, I don't think you and I are having the same conversation Rayiner and I are, and I don't think it's worth the effort for us to sync up at this point.